• Due to a glitch in the old vBulletin software, some users were "banned" when they tried to change their passwords at the end of February. This does not apply after the site was converted to Xenforo. If you were affected by this, please us viua the Contact us link in the footer.

Mori: Snp 40% (-5%); lab 35% (+3); ldem 8% (+3); con 13% (+1); yes 30%, no 58%.


factual

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2005
Messages
8,761
Ipsos MORI Holyrood vote: CON 13%(+1), LAB 35%(+3), LDEM 8%(+2), SNP 40%(-5).

Scottish referendum question amongst those certain to vote in a referendum: YES 30%, NO is on 58%.


Results here http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3058/Support-for-independence-continues-to-fall-as-Labour-narrows-gap-with-SNP.aspx


Comment: not a great set of results for the SNP with support down and with disappointing results on the referendum. With the SNP generally having had a bad recent period, this result will confirm their worries.
 
Last edited:


commonman

Well-known member
Joined
May 29, 2010
Messages
5,360
There right to vote no,all they have to do is look at the mess we made of trying to run a country we have not got a clue.
 

ruserious

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 3, 2011
Messages
29,619
There right to vote no,all they have to do is look at the mess we made of trying to run a country we have not got a clue.
We haven't made a mess. Individuals did which has unfortunatly bound our nation to high debt.
 

Analyzer

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 14, 2011
Messages
46,187
There right to vote no,all they have to do is look at the mess we made of trying to run a country we have not got a clue.
As has been shown by similar debacles in Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain and
as will soon be shown by deflating debt bubbles in France, Belgium, The Netherlands
we were managing average until we got into the Euro monetary farce.

Then we boomed and crashed.

Let's not forget that it was a Scot, Gordon Brown, who more than anybody else fukt up Britain.
 

pippakin

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 22, 2010
Messages
9,663
I'm not sure if the SNP or any others in favour of Scottish independence have anything more than Alex Salmond. As long as that appears to be the case I can't see a majority of canny Scots voting for independence.
 
S

simeongrimes

We are like the Scots in that we have also spurned opportunities to vote for independence because of fear of economic consequences. In the long run it is a recipe for disaster for both unions.
 

commonman

Well-known member
Joined
May 29, 2010
Messages
5,360
Rome ran this country for years with them bast.ards FF we never had a manufacturing base in this country, we had all the fish in the world but we put beef first then give our fishing away.
 

factual

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2005
Messages
8,761
The SNP had its conference today but things do not seem to be great for them. The shine is falling. Labour seems to be coming back both in London and in Edinburgh. The people seem to be turning back to labour.
 

Glaucon

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 13, 2012
Messages
8,341
There right to vote no,all they have to do is look at the mess we made of trying to run a country we have not got a clue.
Evidently you've as little respect for yourself and your country, as the likes of Neil McKinnock had for Wales.

Between the mid-sixteenth century and the mid-eighteenth century Wales had practically no history at all, and even before that it was the history of rural brigands who have been ennobled by being called princes.
I suspect the Scots may have a little more backbone than ashamed neo-Unionists like yourself.
 

Fides

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 6, 2010
Messages
4,441
As has been shown by similar debacles in Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain and
as will soon be shown by deflating debt bubbles in France, Belgium, The Netherlands
we were managing average until we got into the Euro monetary farce.

Then we boomed and crashed.

Let's not forget that it was a Scot, Gordon Brown, who more than anybody else fukt up Britain.
Economically we were a basket case in the 80s well before the Euro. The Euro admission criteria forced us to better manage the economy. The Euro undoubtedly did for us in terms of having too low interest rates when we should have had higher ones but our government could have dampened down the property side through fiscal policy if they had the inclination.
 
Joined
Jan 20, 2007
Messages
31
Not an SNP member but the polls before their historic win in May 2011 all but three weeks up to the poll had Labour ahead in the polls. At one point, Labour were ahead by about 10%.

The challenge is certainly going to be tough but there are two years to go to win over the undecided and there are a lot. We did a mock-poll in the pub with a few pals and out of the 9 of us - 4 yes, 2 no and 3 undecided. That will be the key to winning this referendum and now there is a question, there will be a vote.

Looking forward to the next few years. I think unfortunately Scotland will vote with its head and the No vote will win 40-60.

To be given this chance is historic and really looking forward to the campaign.
 

TheLastLazyGun

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 8, 2012
Messages
1,163
Another poll just last week showed support for independence at just 28%.

Scottish nationalists have got a lot of work to do, and I can't see them pulling it off.

And I also think it's pointless to look at how well the SNP are doing in the polls as not all SNP voters want independence.

In last year's Scottish elections, the SNP won but got just 31% of the vote. If the Scots are so desperate for independence then why did just 31% - less than a third - of those who voted vote for the SNP?
 

ffc

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 6, 2007
Messages
5,167
Another poll just last week showed support for independence at just 28%.

Scottish nationalists have got a lot of work to do, and I can't see them pulling it off.

And I also think it's pointless to look at how well the SNP are doing in the polls as not all SNP voters want independence.

In last year's Scottish elections, the SNP won but got just 31% of the vote. If the Scots are so desperate for independence then why did just 31% - less than a third - of those who voted vote for the SNP?
Interesting nuances on Scottish Independence, basically seems to be a case of anything has to be better than the crappy tories,

Fear of Tory rule is boost for Yes bid | The Sunday Times

The Proclaimers might be singing pro-tory songs before long.
 

SilverSpurs

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 27, 2009
Messages
5,550
Ipsos MORI Holyrood vote: CON 13%(+1), LAB 35%(+3), LDEM 8%(+2), SNP 40%(-5).

Scottish referendum question amongst those certain to vote in a referendum: YES 30%, NO is on 58%.


Results here Ipsos MORI | Poll | Support for independence continues to fall as Labour narrows gap with SNP


Comment: not a great set of results for the SNP with support down and with disappointing results on the referendum. With the SNP generally having had a bad recent period, this result will confirm their worries.
History will record David Cameron's greatest ever calculated risk. Force the scots to choose between independence or the status quo. The scots I have met would support a lot more devolution but do not want a full break. They will vote for the status quo in 2014 and scottish independence/autonomy is lost for a generation.
 
Joined
Jan 20, 2007
Messages
31
A new opinion poll today has the SNP 15% ahead in voting intentions for Scottish elections, which is not bad at all for a party in power now for 5 and a bit years and in their 2nd term, but this doesn't translate into support for Independence.
There was another poll on a simple yes/no question in The Times, yesterday which had it as ;
Yes 37% No 45% Undecided 18% - still points towards a No vote, but certainly some progress for the Yes from the last few.

I think once the 'Yes/No' campaigns get fully going it will be fairly interesting to follow. Delighted the Greens are on board fully and Patrick Harvie will be an asset to the campaign for tv debates and hustings. Tommy Sheridan also came across well on 'This Week' on BBC last week after Question Time, but his off the park frolics have lost him some support from punters.
 

ScreeOrTalus

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 23, 2011
Messages
4,036
The SNP had its conference today but things do not seem to be great for them. The shine is falling. Labour seems to be coming back both in London and in Edinburgh. The people seem to be turning back to labour.
Lambs to the slaughter.
 

Ex celt

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 24, 2011
Messages
8,372
We haven't made a mess. Individuals did which has unfortunatly bound our nation to high debt.
Paddy made a balls of it.Sill playing at running an independent country.If SF/IRA come to power then you will really have a first class disaster on your hands(dv).
 

ffc

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 6, 2007
Messages
5,167
A new opinion poll today has the SNP 15% ahead in voting intentions for Scottish elections, which is not bad at all for a party in power now for 5 and a bit years and in their 2nd term, but this doesn't translate into support for Independence.
There was another poll on a simple yes/no question in The Times, yesterday which had it as ;
Yes 37% No 45% Undecided 18% - still points towards a No vote, but certainly some progress for the Yes from the last few.

I think once the 'Yes/No' campaigns get fully going it will be fairly interesting to follow. Delighted the Greens are on board fully and Patrick Harvie will be an asset to the campaign for tv debates and hustings. Tommy Sheridan also came across well on 'This Week' on BBC last week after Question Time, but his off the park frolics have lost him some support from punters.
A lot will depend on the EU getting it's act together and creating some sort of stability and certainty within the Eurozone. If the currency survives and I think, ultimately, it will, the Scots will have a clear safety net into which they can drop after independence. Like Catalonia, the Scots will see themselves as needing an independent voice at the table, rather than an extension of a disinterested UK. If the future looks stable by 2014, if the European Union displays the prinicples of solidarity and sacrifice towards it's member states then it is a real possibility that Scotland will vote yes and the subsequent crisis would be for the Eurosceptics and the little Englanders. These are strange times and change is afoot across our continent.
 

New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top