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Moving religion classes to the end of the school day

Hans Von Horn

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If every Child is to be entitled to an Education funded by the State, and is to be free from indoctrination in our schools then the State must move to move all religion classes to a period at the end of the normal school day.

Anything less subjects Children to unwanted indoctrination in religion. The notion of infusing the daily programme with a religious ethos simply cannot be tolerated by or indeed inflicted on those who don't want such indoctrination.

School Transport Services should of course be arranged where possible to accommodate those staying on for religious instruction.

The whole idea of religious patronage of schools is outrageous when schools are funded by the taxpayer. Teachers should not need to belong to any particular religion in order to be employed by any school.

Where Private Schools arise they should be entirely privately funded. It is time for radical reform of our education system such that it recognises and meets the needs of our multicultural Society.

It is incredible that Ireland's Equality Movement have not embraced this cause.
 


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If every Child is to be entitled to an Education funded by the State, and is to be free from indoctrination in our schools then the State must move to move all religion classes to a period at the end of the normal school day.

Anything less subjects Children to unwanted indoctrination in religion. The notion of infusing the daily programme with a religious ethos simply cannot be tolerated by or indeed inflicted on those who don't want such indoctrination.

School Transport Services should of course be arranged where possible to accommodate those staying on for religious instruction.

The whole idea of religious patronage of schools is outrageous when schools are funded by the taxpayer. Teachers should not need to belong to any particular religion in order to be employed by any school.

Where Private Schools arise they should be entirely privately funded. It is time for radical reform of our education system such that it recognises and meets the needs of our multicultural Society.

It is incredible that Ireland's Equality Movement have not embraced this cause.
Religious education should be a parental responsibility and has no place in state-funded education.
 

Hans Von Horn

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Religious education should be a parental responsibility and has no place in state-funded education.
There is no reason for State funded Teachers to teach Religion. Let the Churches / Superstitious Organisations etc. provide Teachers. from their own resources.
 

Cruimh

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If every Child is to be entitled to an Education funded by the State, and is to be free from indoctrination in our schools then the State must move to move all religion classes to a period at the end of the normal school day.

Anything less subjects Children to unwanted indoctrination in religion. The notion of infusing the daily programme with a religious ethos simply cannot be tolerated by or indeed inflicted on those who don't want such indoctrination.

School Transport Services should of course be arranged where possible to accommodate those staying on for religious instruction.

The whole idea of religious patronage of schools is outrageous when schools are funded by the taxpayer. Teachers should not need to belong to any particular religion in order to be employed by any school.

Where Private Schools arise they should be entirely privately funded. It is time for radical reform of our education system such that it recognises and meets the needs of our multicultural Society.

It is incredible that Ireland's Equality Movement have not embraced this cause.
Extra expense in the transport arrangements?

Would parents who didn't want their children to participate face consequences, including difficulty in getting their children into the schools?

I have no problem with their being some religious component in the education system. However the Schools should not be under Church control.
 

Hans Von Horn

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Extra expense in the transport arrangements?

Would parents who didn't want their children to participate face consequences, including difficulty in getting their children into the schools?

I have no problem with their being some religious component in the education system. However the Schools should not be under Church control.
There would be no extra expense. If parents wanted children to travel on the second run they could pay for the transport costs. If the State should not fund the cost of Religious education then it should not fund the cost of transport from religious education. When many parents paid for the cost of transport for religious education directly rather than through their taxes they may well opt out.
 

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Somewhere Glenshane4 is twitching erratically

This thread shall not pass
 

stopdoingstuff

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I used to disagree. Now I reckon the best way is the American way.
 

Barna

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There is no reason for State funded Teachers to teach Religion. Let the Churches / Superstitious Organisations etc. provide Teachers. from their own resources.
With the amount of things being carried out in the world by people using religion as an excuse, terrorist attacks etc, you think our children shouldn't be taught about different religions?
Let's stick their heads in the sand so and when they go out into the big bad world they will be totally prepared for it.

But, if people don't want their kids educated fully, they have the option of a non-religious school or coming to the school they're in and looking after their kids while others receive their education.

Don't expect my taxes to fund the provision of babysitters because their parents want them to remain ignorant.
 

Hans Von Horn

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With the amount of things being carried out in the world by people using religion as an excuse, terrorist attacks etc, you think our children shouldn't be taught about different religions?
Let's stick their heads in the sand so and when they go out into the big bad world they will be totally prepared for it.

But, if people don't want their kids educated fully, they have the option of a non-religious school or coming to the school they're in and looking after their kids while others receive their education.

Don't expect my taxes to fund the provision of babysitters because their parents want them to remain ignorant.
People are not going to leave their place of work at intervals to withdraw their children from classes in State funded schools while various superstitions are taught. We have a growing number of superstitions in Ireland. The impact of educations mans that fewer people believe in superstition.
 

Hans Von Horn

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I remember as a Child being forced to sit in superstition classes. The result was a continuous questioning and undermining of the superstitious instruction class.
 

daveL

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With the amount of things being carried out in the world by people using religion as an excuse, terrorist attacks etc, you think our children shouldn't be taught about different religions?
Let's stick their heads in the sand so and when they go out into the big bad world they will be totally prepared for it.
the flawed logic is strong in this one
 

Emily Davison

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With the amount of things being carried out in the world by people using religion as an excuse, terrorist attacks etc, you think our children shouldn't be taught about different religions?
Let's stick their heads in the sand so and when they go out into the big bad world they will be totally prepared for it.

But, if people don't want their kids educated fully, they have the option of a non-religious school or coming to the school they're in and looking after their kids while others receive their education.

Don't expect my taxes to fund the provision of babysitters because their parents want them to remain ignorant.
If 95% of primary schools are catholic how does that work?
 

Barna

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Of course, what we see here in the usual way, isn't anti-religious teachings.
It's anti-Catholic religion teachings.

Anyway, if people want their kids to remain ignorant of a subject that is very relevant in society today, that's up to them.
Just don't expect the majority of people to bend over to the minority.
Put your kids in non-religious schools and stop whinging about others.
 

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