Mueller's Investigation of Trump on the ropes.Chart the unravelling here (Original Thread)

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It's been clear to me for a long time that Mueller's investigation of Trump was both a partisan witch-hunt and the ultimate exercise in futility. The last two weeks have provided a degree of vindication as Mueller's investigation has been compromised on a number of fronts.Top agents have been dropped for partisan anti-Trump txts and Congress has started to ask damaging questions surrounding the impact a dodgy intelligence dossier had on the decision to put the Trump transition team under surveillance in the first instance. The clock is ticking and the end is definitely nigh. Chart the systematic disintegration here.The link below provides some damning mood music. It's Fox News but it stands up to scrutiny

Ingraham: Is Mueller's probe unravelling? | On Air Videos | Fox News
 


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One of the reasons the Starr probe into Bill Clinton failed to sink him was that it was seen as a partisan witchhunt by the time it ended. This could be the same. Starr accused Clinton of "obstruction of justice" but he survived. Trump could survive too.

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All they have left is obstruction of justice by Trump. Any of that in relation toe Comey is dead. At some stage the Muller inquiry will have to be wound up and Trump is entitled to bring that about.

Justain, toastie, Owde and the other lib loons, will howl and growl and call Trump an orange moran. but they are finished, The conservative agenda is on the rise like it or not.
 

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Mueller must be getting close, if the guns are turning on him.
There is no such concept as colusion. There is receiving money or money worth to influence an election. Too remote.

There is confusion between moral wrong and legal wrong. Its legal wrong you need.
 

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Mueller must be getting close, if the guns are turning on him.
Not really---Investigation is starting to splutter. Any fair examination of what's happening would concur. That Strzok FBI guy is bringing the whole thing down. His compromised fingerprints are all over everything dodgy that has happened since Trump came on the scene.
 

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The choreography between Mr Comey and Mr Mueller needs the light of day.
 
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I think it became apparent early on in this case that Trump wasn't going to be impeached on this. He personally seemed to be one step ahead (just) of any wrongdoing.

Any time threat there was a new revelation, or a new witness, or discovery, Trump personally had done the right thing. People were fired, let go, dispatched just in time for The Donald to be in the clear. The dots never joined back to him, even though the completed portrait is of him.

Flynn is a big scalp, if there's to be a bigger one, I feel it might be Kushner.

I must say that I like Mueller's handling of the case. He's been very low key; certainly not a fan of the cameras. Methodically - and quietly - going about his business and gathering evidence, flipping Papadopolous, arresting Manafort and Gates. The media have made a big show of him and his accomplishments, but the man himself is rather reserved...calculating even. It's a good quality for a prosecutor in such an important case.
 

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FBI Director Wray refuses to answer question on whether Peter Strzok used the Fusion Dossier to get a FISA warrant on Trump associates. Strzok was the member of the Mueller team that was fired.

[video=youtube;AtZL9hGsMf8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtZL9hGsMf8[/video]
 

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Will Trump interfere in justice by sacking Mueller for bias (the investigator is a registered Republican) or just wage a PR shock and awe campaign (only 44% of republican think mueller is fair) do that a republican Congress won’t vote Trump our, because
- mueller is partisan witch hunter
- the bad stuff predates trump becoming president
- the bad stuff isn’t that bad *look over there*?
 

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Will Trump interfere in justice by sacking Mueller for bias (the investigator is a registered Republican) or just wage a PR shock and awe campaign (only 44% of republican think mueller is fair) do that a republican Congress won’t vote Trump our, because
- mueller is partisan witch hunter
- the bad stuff predates trump becoming president
- the bad stuff isn’t that bad *look over there*?
If Trump had any sense hed resign early in 2018 for health reasons. Trump has no sense though.
 

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If Trump had any sense hed resign early in 2018 for health reasons. Trump has no sense though.
In all of the threads on P.ie that I have read regarding President Trump, I have not seen anything that would require him to resign. All that is flouted is innuendo and supposition and of course a smattering of wishful thinking.
 

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FBI Director Wray refuses to answer question on whether Peter Strzok used the Fusion Dossier to get a FISA warrant on Trump associates. Strzok was the member of the Mueller team that was fired.

[video=youtube;AtZL9hGsMf8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtZL9hGsMf8[/video]
Investigation is shaping up to be a massive con.If allegations on video are proven to be even half true, FBI reputation is in tatters
 

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It's been clear to me for a long time that Mueller's investigation of Trump was both a partisan witch-hunt and the ultimate exercise in futility. The last two weeks have provided a degree of vindication as Mueller's investigation has been compromised on a number of fronts.Top agents have been dropped for partisan anti-Trump txts and Congress has started to ask damaging questions surrounding the impact a dodgy intelligence dossier had on the decision to put the Trump transition team under surveillance in the first instance. The clock is ticking and the end is definitely nigh. Chart the systematic disintegration here.The link below provides some damning mood music. It's Fox News but it stands up to scrutiny

Ingraham: Is Mueller's probe unravelling? | On Air Videos | Fox News
You sound worried.
 

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Mueller must be getting close, if the guns are turning on him.
Not really , but everyday it revealed that someone has been removed from the case fro anti Trump bias pre investigation then his investigation loses more credibility. He made a mistake by filling his team top heavy with Clinton donor lawyers and investigators , that is starting to bite him now. Remember all it takes it is the appearance of partisanship to lose credibility.
 

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There is a lot of uninformed opinion about Mueller investigation on this thread (and that includes my comments) because none of us knows what Mueller knows. He is, quite rightly playing his cards very close to his chest.

However it is important to nail one slur, namely that Mueller is conducting a partisan witch-hunt. The word "partisan" is used in relation to Mueller only by those who want to blacken his name so that they can use that to question his findings, when known.

Mueller has been ordered by the Deputy Attorney General (because the Attorney General recused himself) to conduct an investigation into "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump". He has no scope or authority to investigate any other matter. He is not, in the conduct of this investigation, partisan.

As for where this might all lead - well, "follow the money" is advice that an experienced investigator like Mueller will not need. For me the most interesting aspect of Mueller's investigation is not about Flynn of Kushner or Manafort, it is the news that Mueller has subpoenaed Deutsche Bank.

Trump famously tweeted (in caps) “I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA—NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING.”

Mueller is going to test the veracity of that statement.
 

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Not really---Investigation is starting to splutter. Any fair examination of what's happening would concur. That Strzok FBI guy is bringing the whole thing down. His compromised fingerprints are all over everything dodgy that has happened since Trump came on the scene.
The investigation isn't into Trump. It's into the campaign, specifically into ties with Russia, and more generally any other crimes that come out from that investigation.

In the last 2 months the investigation has resulted in the felony convictions of 2 members of that campaign, one very senior, due to their statements about their ties to Russia and 2 felony indictments for 2 other members of the campaign, one very senior, over the alleged Russian involved laundering of tens of millions of dollars.

They've also clearly flipped at least 2 members of that campaign who are offering cooperation against other members.

Rico cases take a long time to build.

But yeah, I mean if you disregard the confirmed crimes and the ongoing felony prosecutions which carry decades of sentencing, it's clearly floundering. I mean there hasn't been a plea in like...a week.

If it gets to the end of the investigation and the result is the criminal conviction of the former defence secretary and campaign manager, both for issues tied to Russia, it's hard to say that's not a worthwhile investigation.
 

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And yet that was never the result hoped for.
 
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