Mueller's Investigation of Trump on the ropes.Chart the unravelling here (Second Thread)


toastedheretic

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But he had loads of Ukraine contacts! You know: the Russian linked ones that helped him illegally move around millions of dollars. That’s ok right?
The same one who had sanctions lifted from his companies before xmass for which Manuchin refused to digress rationale..

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But he had loads of Ukraine contacts! You know: the Russian linked ones that helped him illegally move around millions of dollars. That’s ok right?
But, whatever it was, nothing to do with Trump. Looks like another one buying into the BS. This morning's frenzy abated a bit but jeez, logic first casualty of this Dem inspired witch-hunt. Mullet is obviously desperate. He's a proven partisan shill. He won't stop till he's stopped or he comes up with something. If I was a Russian troll sitting all day in my underpants, I'd be worried.
 
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Very unprofessional of FBI to be leaking derogatory information during an investigation. But then again they did the same to Hillary Clinton. More showboating from Comey's gang and a reminder of why Comey needed to be fired. Recalls the cynical tactics of J Edgar Hoover to hold onto power and punish those who might remove him.
 

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But, whatever it was, nothing to do with Trump. Looks like another one buying into the BS. This morning's frenzy ababated a bit but jeez, logic first casualty of this Dem inspired witch-hunt. Mullet is obviously desperate. He's a proven partisan shill. He won't stop till he's stopped or he comes up with something. If I was a Russian troll sitting all day in my underpants, I'd be worried.
Who has said it has anything to do with Trump? There's no link right now between Manafort's actions and Trump. No one's alleged there are any such links.

Mueller has come up with what, a dozen convictions at this point? He's uncovered a multi million dollar fraud, collusion by the campaign manager with Russia, and campaign crimes that the perpetrators admit they committed at the instruction of Trump.

The thing could shut down tomorrow and the decision to carry out the review, the terms used and the manner the review took place would be totally justified.
 

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More absolute insanity. Firstly, article is New York times---a discredited Trump hating rag. Finally, look at the FBI lawyer quoted in article, Lisa Page, Mr Trump stopping "Insurance Policy" Strzok's shag-buddy. Of course, these FBI slimeballs started an investigation. They'd just lost Leaking Comey and their asses were hanging in the wind.They're both no longer in FBI--dishonourably discharged. Shameful mudslinging article. Shows how desperate these scum are. Back to the drawing board bozos.
Nah, he's been and remains compromised by them. His own actions and those in his circle made that evident long ago and keep exhibiting it.
 

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Who has said it has anything to do with Trump? There's no link right now between Manafort's actions and Trump. No one's alleged there are any such links.

Mueller has come up with what, a dozen convictions at this point? He's uncovered a multi million dollar fraud, collusion by the campaign manager with Russia, and campaign crimes that the perpetrators admit they committed at the instruction of Trump.

The thing could shut down tomorrow and the decision to carry out the review, the terms used and the manner the review took place would be totally justified.
"Totally justified." Only to the extent that it inadvertently exposed a bias ridden cabal of crookedness at the highest levels in FBI. Thankfully, Leaky Comey, McCabe, Strzok etc have all either being fired or resigned since Trump started. cleaning house. Throw in clapped out Clapper and Crazy Horse Brennan and you get a sense of the type of creeps Trump has been fighting a rearguard action against
 

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The campaign manager sharing campaign information with Russian intelligence at the same time as Russian intelligence are actively trying to influence the election doesn't seem like a big deal to you?
Do you think it even warrants further examination to determine if Manafort was doing anything underhand?

Do you not think it is somewhat unusual?
I honestly don't know. As I said, Manafort had loads of contacts with Ukraine and various players in that conflict. Did something mildly dodgy happen? Maybe, maybe not. But in terms of Trumps Russian collusion inquiry the sins so far in terms of their gravity are all FBI, Dems, Steele dossier etc
 

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You really don't deserve this but in a charitable attempt to dampen down the insanity, check out this little doozy from a Senate hearing
Senator Tom Cotton: "On Feb 14th , NYT published a story, the headline of which was, "Trump Campaign Aides had repeated contacts with Russian Intelligence." Would it be fair to characterise that story as almost entirely wrong?"
Jim Comey(for it was he):Yes
So can you all unknot your Knicks and go back to seeing the NYT as the fake news partisan rag that it is.
 

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You really don't deserve this but in a charitable attempt to dampen down the insanity, check out this little doozy from a Senate hearing
Senator Tom Cotton: "On Feb 14th , NYT published a story, the headline of which was, "Trump Campaign Aides had repeated contacts with Russian Intelligence." Would it be fair to characterise that story as almost entirely wrong?"
Jim Comey(for it was he):Yes
So can you all unknot your Knicks and go back to seeing the NYT as the fake news partisan rag that it is.
Um. Of course Manafort has now admitted in court that he had repeated contact with Russian Intelligence.

It's almost as if Comey couldn't have known the results of an investigation that had yet to take place.
 

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But he had loads of Ukraine contacts! You know: the Russian linked ones that helped him illegally move around millions of dollars. That’s ok right?
Manafort has hitched his wagon to a Trump pardon. Problem is, who's going to Pardon Trump?
 

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Manafort has hitched his wagon to a Trump pardon. Problem is, who's going to Pardon Trump?
Manafort's in an incredibly difficult position.

1. He's broken the law and has decades in prison hanging over him.
2. If he withholds anything from the investigators or lies to them: He will die in prison.
3. Trump can't pardon him during the investigation
4. If he has evidence of criminality on the part of Trump and tells the investigators: His use to Trump ends as does any hope of a pardon
5. If he has evidence of criminality on the part of Trump and doesn't tell the investigators before the report is issues: His use to Trump ends because the report's been lodged and any additional things he says afterwards A) Will just be the noise of a criminal in prison and who cares and B) Will result in him being prosecuted again because of 2.
 

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Who has said it has anything to do with Trump? There's no link right now between Manafort's actions and Trump. No one's alleged there are any such links.

Mueller has come up with what, a dozen convictions at this point? He's uncovered a multi million dollar fraud, collusion by the campaign manager with Russia, and campaign crimes that the perpetrators admit they committed at the instruction of Trump.

The thing could shut down tomorrow and the decision to carry out the review, the terms used and the manner the review took place would be totally justified.
And yet waggy thinks the thing is unraveling...still...two years later. Now that’s a whole different level of denial. It really is hilarious :lol:
 

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Have to say from the little I've heard and read of Manafort his Endgaming of himself into an unwinnable corner is one of those few occasions in politics which contain a surfeit of joy in the observer.
 

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Manafort's in an incredibly difficult position.

1. He's broken the law and has decades in prison hanging over him.
2. If he withholds anything from the investigators or lies to them: He will die in prison.
3. Trump can't pardon him during the investigation
4. If he has evidence of criminality on the part of Trump and tells the investigators: His use to Trump ends as does any hope of a pardon
5. If he has evidence of criminality on the part of Trump and doesn't tell the investigators before the report is issues: His use to Trump ends because the report's been lodged and any additional things he says afterwards A) Will just be the noise of a criminal in prison and who cares and B) Will result in him being prosecuted again because of 2.
He has even bigger problems, e.g.,
On February 20, 2014, Ukrainian riot police opened fire on thousands of demonstrators who had gathered in central Kiev. They were protesting President Viktor Yanukovych's last-minute decision to back out of a deal with the European Union that would have distanced Ukraine from Russia and fostered closer ties with the West.
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Late last month, hackers broke into Manafort's daughter's iPhone
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"Don't fool yourself," Andrea wrote to her sister, according to the texts. "That money we have is blood money."

"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."
Hacked text messages allegedly sent by Paul Manafort's daughter discuss 'blood money' and killings, and a Ukrainian lawyer wants him to explain - Business Insider

He's beyond dirty on murder and who knows how much more with the Russian oligarchy/mob network. The Russian oligarchy/mob are also not the types to be messed with. His daughters might have a 'bad accident' and so forth.
 
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And yet waggy thinks the thing is unraveling...still...two years later. Now that’s a whole different level of denial. It really is hilarious :lol:
In my eyes, it has unravelled. Trump still there, FBI crony cabal sacked and disgraced.
 

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In my eyes, it has unravelled. Trump still there, FBI crony cabal sacked and disgraced.
.... and Manafort, Flynn, Trump and Cohen with their virginity back ....
 

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“I think Mueller is going to have to address this,” Goldman said. “Which, by the way, is the question the American public expects him to answer. You don’t need me to tell you that the American public expects an answer to ‘Is Trump working with Russia?’ It’s the sixty-four-thousand-dollar question.”
If the FBI opened an investigation into Trump's possible links with Russia, then the report that concludes Yes or No MUST by published. The President must be above suspicion.

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