Mueller's Investigation of Trump on the ropes.Chart the unravelling here (Second Thread)


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It is hard not to see Manafort as a smaller version of Trump .... a reputation as a smart and successful businessman hiding a world of shady, crooked dealings, Trump without the Reality TV Show.

Manafort's fate may presage Trump's, also.

How Paul Manafort's spectacular downfall may foreshadow Trump's own undoing

... conservative writer Jennifer Rubin noted, the pattern of events Manafort has faced may presage Trump’s own fate.

“The same fed and NY courts await him,” she wrote on Twitter. “There is not a damned thing he or Pence or any pres can do about the latter. The beauty of federalism and the rule of law.”
 

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Nobody that's made it in American politics, Republican or Democrat, would emerge pristine after the type of forensics that have been applied to Trump and Manafort. Still no evidence of Russian collusion though.
 

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Nobody that's made it in American politics, Republican or Democrat, would emerge pristine after the type of forensics that have been applied to Trump and Manafort. Still no evidence of Russian collusion though.
No Wag, they wouldn't, but that isn't an excuse for not forensically examining the character and background of a POTUS to allow the American people see the full picture
If they see that full picture and are happy to accept their POTUS doesn't need to be law abiding, truthful or in anyway ethical or compliant with laws and conventions, so be it.
But setting a template where a hugely controversial and 6 times bankrupted businessman is allowed run for and assume office of Presidency without forensically analysing his past,and instead insisting he must be allowed govern without distraction is a recipe for disaster.
and make no mistake, that is what you cultists want, no interference or examination of Trump.
If he isn't caught directly speaking to Kremlin goons, then it must be 100% hands off every single aspect of him (taxes, scams, insurance fraud, Russian loans, money laundering, conflicts of interest, running Trump Org while POTUS, charity foundation theft, bribes, blackmails, extortion, threats, obstruction of justice....),all must now fold and allow Trump a clean slate to govern without distraction
 
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Nobody that's made it in American politics, Republican or Democrat, would emerge pristine after the type of forensics that have been applied to Trump and Manafort. Still no evidence of Russian collusion though.
The right-wing spin machine threw everything they had at Barack Obama and his wife, and all they found was that they were once at a party with a former terrorist, and their pastor had once said "God Damn America!".

Even the breathless "Clinton scandals" are tame when compared to the enormity of the revelations about Trump.
  • What is Whitewater compared to Trump Tower Moscow?
  • How do "her e-mails" compare to the President ordering his dodgy son-in-law be given top security clearance?
  • How does the Clinton Foundation compare to the criminally incompetent, tax-dodging Trump Foundation?
  • The list goes on ....
 
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Nobody that's made it in American politics, Republican or Democrat, would emerge pristine after the type of forensics that have been applied to Trump and Manafort. Still no evidence of Russian collusion though.
That is the bottom line no Russia involvement. Has there ever been such a witch hunt against any president
 

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That is the bottom line no Russia involvement. Has there ever been such a witch hunt against any president
You do understand that the fact that there was Russia interference in the 2016 election, to boost Trump and damage Clinton, is not disputed?

The only question is did the Trump campaign coordinate (not collude) with Russia.
 

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You do understand that the fact that there was Russia interference in the 2016 election, to boost Trump and damage Clinton, is not disputed?

The only question is did the Trump campaign coordinate (not collude) with Russia.
... in the summer of 2015, the Dutch intelligence service, the AIVD, informed its counterparts in the American intelligence community (probably in the CIA and or NSA) that a Russian group of hackers known as Cozy Bear, working for the GRU, had hacked the Democratic National Committee computer networks.

Let’s stop right there. By any measure, this is espionage activity by a hostile foreign power.
Yes, Trumpanistas still claim this is a "hoax", even though the truth of it is virtually undeniable.

[Climate change deniers do the same shtick ... it you shout loud enough and long enough that something is a "hoax", then somewhere sometime you might get believed and get temporary advantage - as long as reality is kept at bay.]

Russian spies were all over the 2016 race — and they were working for one candidate: Donald Trump
 

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Collusion? Manafort definitely colluded, as his meeting with Konstantin Kilimnik shows .... all we need to know is how much Trump knew, and when did he know it.
 

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Top Mueller Prosecutor Stepping Down In Latest Clue Russia Inquiry May Be Ending

Good riddance. Check out this creep's track record and tell me Mullet's investigation isn't a scam. Twonk attended Clinton election night knees-up, sorry down. Biggest scam in American history.
Even worse, he was plainly good at his job, and Trump must have sh!t himself over the money laundering.

Trump and his aides would be facing off against a group of "killers," as Bannon reportedly said. Author Michael Wolff wrote that Bannon told him that Weissmann was like "the LeBron James of money laundering investigations."
That is why gong to a party is suddenly grounds for suspicion - should like Stalinism to me.
 

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Yes, Trumpanistas still claim this is a "hoax", even though the truth of it is virtually undeniable.

[Climate change deniers do the same shtick ... it you shout loud enough and long enough that something is a "hoax", then somewhere sometime you might get believed and get temporary advantage - as long as reality is kept at bay.]

Russian spies were all over the 2016 race — and they were working for one candidate: Donald Trump
Article has all readibility of a Jeffrey Archer pageturner but none of the credibility
 

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Even worse, he was plainly good at his job, and Trump must have sh!t himself over the money laundering.



That is why gong to a party is suddenly grounds for suspicion - should like Stalinism to me.
No it means you're a diehard supporter of the candidate the person you're investigating defeated and joked about putting in prison. Only a Stalinist would take a benign view of this.
 
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Top Mueller Prosecutor Stepping Down In Latest Clue Russia Inquiry May Be Ending

Good riddance. Check out this creep's track record and tell me Mullet's investigation isn't a scam. Twonk attended Clinton election night knees-up, sorry down. Biggest scam in American history.
You are a willing participant and devoted disciple to the biggest scam in American history

A criminal billionaire incompetent impoverishing the vast majority of Americans even further to make a small proportion of Americans wealthier still.
And the genius of the scam is that many of those getting it up the arse from him and GOP (and as the economic slowdown arrives, will now get it harder still) believe he is doing them good.
 

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No it means your a diehard supporter of the candidate the person you're investigating defeated and joked about putting in prison. Only a Stalinist would take a benign view of this.
I am normally relaxed on such matters, but your grammar, punctuation and syntax is consistently poor.
I would have assumed someone who claims he is top class journalist would be more fastidious about such things.
 

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No Wag, they wouldn't, but that isn't an excuse for not forensically examining the character and background of a POTUS to allow the American people see the full picture
If they see that full picture and are happy to accept their POTUS doesn't need to be law abiding, truthful or in anyway ethical or compliant with laws and conventions, so be it.
But setting a template where a hugely controversial and 6 times bankrupted businessman is allowed run for and assume office of Presidency without forensically analysing his past,and instead insisting he must be allowed govern without distraction is a recipe for disaster.
and make no mistake, that is what you cultists want, no interference or examination of Trump.
If he isn't caught directly speaking to Kremlin goons, then it must be 100% hands off every single aspect of him (taxes, scams, insurance fraud, Russian loans, money laundering, conflicts of interest, running Trump Org while POTUS, charity foundation theft, bribes, blackmails, extortion, threats, obstruction of justice....),all must now fold and allow Trump a clean slate to govern without distraction
They went after him for collusion with Russia. Don't insult our intelligence then by going after him for other stuff when that is shown to have been a scam dreamt up by scheming swamp creatures aka Dem shills and scumbags
 

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I am normally relaxed on such matters, but your grammar, punctuation and syntax is consistently poor.
I would have assumed someone who claims he is top class journalist would be more fastidious about such things.
Never claimed to be a "top-class" journalist. That's an oxymoron in my book. Would rather be associated with dodgy syntax than dodgy posts
 

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I think Cohen and his lawyer set a trap in House testimony and Trump predictably fell for it, diving in.

Whitaker in closed hearing yesterday refused to deny he had discussed Cohen pardon with Trump.
So take that as read, he did!

Also, Cohen has provided an email to Congress from his then lawyer Robert Costello, who appears to have been back channelling with Giulliani on possibility of a pardon, saying " I spoke with Rudi, very positive, sleep well Mike, you have friends in high places"
Mueller having convicted many mobsters wont ignore this email, this is classic Mob stuff and obstruction of justice
"keep your mouth shut and we will look after you"
 
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They went after him for collusion with Russia. Don't insult our intelligence then by going after him for other stuff when that is shown to have been a scam dreamt up by scheming swamp creatures aka Dem shills and scumbags
ffs

So the drug squad raid the Kinahans on a tip off of a 100 kilos of coke but instead find 50 million in cash, 50 sub machine guns and 3 murdered corpses, but these are deemed not part of their brief and they simply leave and no arrests.
And no further investigation of anything to do with the Kinahans can now be allowed.
Get real, pure cultism
 
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