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Mullingar riots: 64 Travellers walk free


FutureTaoiseach

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The Dublin 4-mindset strikes again. 64 Travellers involved in a riot in Mullingar, Co.Westmeath, have had their sentences suspended by the Judge. Bizarrely, the judge cited risk of re-offending as part of his reasons:
RTE said:
A judge has suspended sentences for 64 people involved in a riot in a Co Westmeath housing estate in July 2008.
Judge Anthony Kennedy handed down sentences of up to four years after watching almost 30 minutes of CCTV footage of more than 100 people involved in violent disorder at the Dalton Park housing estate in Mullingar 18 months ago.
Judge Kennedy said he had to take into consideration the danger caused by the people involved in the feud and the community that had been terrified during the incident.
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However, he said he would also have to consider a risk of further offending and had suspended the sentences for a period of three years.
However, he made it clear that the jail terms would be re-entered if any of those before the court became involved again in feuding behaviour between families.
Most of those before Mullingar Circuit Court had already pleaded guilty to charges of violent disorder.
A small number of others faced charges in relation to the possession of weapons on the day of the riot.
Gardaí brought in a public order unit and dogs, as well as a helicopter, to try to restore calm on the day of the riot.
As a victim of anti-social behaviour by Traveller youths on a neighbouring estate in Co.Wexford, I would like to express my outrage at the suspension of these sentences. Once more, the word has gone out from left-liberal Ireland that if you are a member of a minority, allowances will be made for your unlawful behaviour in terms of leniency from the Irish 'justice' system. While the judge in question is not (as far as we know) from Dublin 4, this mentality is endemic among the Irish Establishment, and has to be seen in the context of the multicultural, left-liberal worldview, in which the world is divided into 'victims' and 'oppressors', with membership of a minority usually coinciding with the latter, and therefore justifying excuses and leniency for ones criminal behaviour. Ask yourselves: would an elected judge dare come out with such an absurd sentence? Write to your TD and to the Justice Minister to condemn this sentence, and to demand either the election of judges, or a referendum to force judges to impose mandatory sentences passed by the Dail in future.

The citation of the risk of future re-offending in the suspension of the sentencing constitutes an act of appeasement by the Irish justice system to those responsible for the terrorising of law-abiding Irish civilians by the criminal-fraternity - many of them part of the Travelling-community. Shame! :roll:
 


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"Criminal fraternity" "Dublin 4" "Appeasment"

You really really are a tool. Thank god Judges aren't elected and aren't influenced by tripe such as the above.
 

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Maybe, but he's not wrong either.
"While the judge in question is not (as far as we know) from Dublin 4, this mentality is endemic among the Irish Establishment, and has to be seen in the context of the multicultural, left-liberal worldview, in which the world is divided into 'victims' and 'oppressors', with membership of a minority usually coinciding with the latter, and therefore justifying excuses and leniency for ones criminal behaviour."

You think there's some Dublin consipracy to let members of the Travelling community off the hook?
 

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Are you such an idiot that you don't know that the two words "left" and "liberal" are incompatible?

Liberal implies free market, lessening the role of government, inequality being natural and good, and basically anything else the WTO, MNCs and their stooges in global governance comes out with.

Left implies regulation, taxation, welfare, equality etc.

Go read a dictionary and then come back to the site.
 

YoungLiberal

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Are you such an idiot that you don't know that the two words "left" and "liberal" are incompatible?

Liberal implies free market, lessening the role of government, inequality being natural and good, and basically anything else the WTO, MNCs and their stooges in global governance comes out with.

Left implies regulation, taxation, welfare, equality etc.

Go read a dictionary and then come back to the site.
Bias much?
 

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"While the judge in question is not (as far as we know) from Dublin 4, this mentality is endemic among the Irish Establishment, and has to be seen in the context of the multicultural, left-liberal worldview, in which the world is divided into 'victims' and 'oppressors', with membership of a minority usually coinciding with the latter, and therefore justifying excuses and leniency for ones criminal behaviour."

You think there's some Dublin consipracy to let members of the Travelling community off the hook?
He was speaking of a mentality. Last time I checked, thinking a certain way didn't make you a Dub.
 

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He was speaking of a mentality. Last time I checked, thinking a certain way didn't make you a Dub.
It's a silly name to give it then, isn't it? If it has nothing to do with Dublin. Anyway, so you think there's some sort of conspiracy among those in power to let members of the travelling community off the hook? That's no less plausible considering the history of the state.
 

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Where would they put them all if they were given custodial sentences? Can you imagine a crowd of them arriving in Limerick prison/Mountjoy all at the same time? Fun and games.
 

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Surely the most sensible and humane decision not to jail these people.
They got a bit hot headed but I'm sure they have learned their lesson now and will be good law abiding citizens as a result.

They can now go back to their proud nomadic ways, fixing pots and pans, reciting poetry and songs arond the campfire and passing on their folklore and traditions to their children.
 

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Surely the most sensible and humane decision not to jail these people.
They got a bit hot headed but I'm sure they have learned their lesson now and will be good law abiding citizens as a result.

They can now go back to their proud nomadic ways, fixing pots and pans, reciting poetry and songs arond the campfire and passing on their folklore and traditions to their children.
And riding sulkies... I nearly ran up the backside of one yesterday heading into town, because he seemingly inexplicably slowed down in the middle of the road. It turned out he was slowing down to pull off the road, because he was answering his mobile phone

Gave me a good laugh actually
 

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The Dublin 4-mindset strikes again. 64 Travellers involved in a riot in Mullingar, Co.Westmeath, have had their sentences suspended by the Judge. Bizarrely, the judge cited risk of re-offending as part of his reasons:As a victim of anti-social behaviour by Traveller youths on a neighbouring estate in Co.Wexford, I would like to express my outrage at the suspension of these sentences. Once more, the word has gone out from left-liberal Ireland that if you are a member of a minority, allowances will be made for your unlawful behaviour in terms of leniency from the Irish 'justice' system. While the judge in question is not (as far as we know) from Dublin 4, this mentality is endemic among the Irish Establishment, and has to be seen in the context of the multicultural, left-liberal worldview, in which the world is divided into 'victims' and 'oppressors', with membership of a minority usually coinciding with the latter, and therefore justifying excuses and leniency for ones criminal behaviour. Ask yourselves: would an elected judge dare come out with such an absurd sentence? Write to your TD and to the Justice Minister to condemn this sentence, and to demand either the election of judges, or a referendum to force judges to impose mandatory sentences passed by the Dail in future.

The citation of the risk of future re-offending in the suspension of the sentencing constitutes an act of appeasement by the Irish justice system to those responsible for the terrorising of law-abiding Irish civilians by the criminal-fraternity - many of them part of the Travelling-community. Shame! :roll:
Itinerants are shameless thugs, thieves and aggressive beggars. I really cannot think of any exception. Do any work, and dodgy white vans with the sirs in them, appear, looking for something to steal.
 

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Itinerants are shameless thugs, thieves and aggressive beggars. I really cannot think of any exception. Do any work, and dodgy white vans with the sirs in them, appear, looking for something to steal.
...yes, every single one of them is a shameless thief and a thug.

Although there is a disproporitonate amount of travellers involved in crime, this isn't something genetic or predetermined.

You try growing up in the conditions many if not all of them endure and let's see how you turn out.
 

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Are you such an idiot that you don't know that the two words "left" and "liberal" are incompatible?

Liberal implies free market, lessening the role of government, inequality being natural and good, and basically anything else the WTO, MNCs and their stooges in global governance comes out with.

Left implies regulation, taxation, welfare, equality etc.

Go read a dictionary and then come back to the site.
Liberal and Socialist positions on social-policy have much in common. I am not talking about economic policy. :rolleyes: McDowell's quote on inequality was meant in an economic-sense - not a social one. Hence his comments that 'inequality is an incentive in the economy'.
Baron von Biffo said:
On the other hand Travellers can be killed with impunity so there's a bit of a swings and roundabouts thing going on.
I don't think you can say that Frog Ward was an example of a Traveller being 'killed with impunity' given his in excess of 100 convictions. :roll:
dunno said:
Itinerants are shameless thugs, thieves and aggressive beggars. I really cannot think of any exception. Do any work, and dodgy white vans with the sirs in them, appear, looking for something to steal.
I wouldn't go that far. I am not tarring them all with the one brush, but criminality is rife in their community to a disproportionate degree. And rulings like this will just make it worse by removing the merest illusion of a deterrent. :roll:
 
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Christ i joined P.ie to get away from the pedantic arguments on semantics over on boards.ie, give it a rest please children and play the ball, not the man
 

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The Dublin 4-mindset strikes again.:

Why do you say that? It was in Mullingar Circuit Court, with people from Mullingar. In Dublin 4, land of embassies and truckers being arrested for breaking the overhead cables on the Dart line at the merrion gates. Dublin 4, with constant police presence around the British, Israeli and US embassies. Dublin 4, where you are unlikely to get a hundred tanked up travellers or other small-town folk in a brawl.

PC-land is in the country side, where local councillors approved all the lousy land rezoning for town houses in small villages. Dublin 4 is moderately conservative and centre-right wing. I wouldn't live there if it wasn't :).
 

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Surely the most sensible and humane decision not to jail these people.
They got a bit hot headed but I'm sure they have learned their lesson now and will be good law abiding citizens as a result.

They can now go back to their proud nomadic ways, fixing pots and pans, reciting poetry and songs arond the campfire and passing on their folklore and traditions to their children.
Ah yes, their folklores and traditions, destroying other peoples property, attacking each other with slash hooks and generally breaking every law on the books.
 

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