Multi speed Europe being endorsed by Germany, France .. Which speed for Ireland?

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Germany and France endorse multi-speed Europe

Germany and France will push for a multi-speed EU, in which some countries integrate more deeply than others, at a summit in Rome later this month.

The statement could be seen as a reassurance to countries with a lower "level of ambitions" that they will not lose the EU's benefits, as well as a warning to countries who would like to take back powers from EU institutions.
Maltese PM hails pope, calls for multispeed EU

So which speed for Ireland? Which speed will be choosen by our Government?

Its also interesting from the perspective that both countries endorsing this have major elections coming up ..

Thoughts??

OH .. and again, no mention of this in Irish Media??
 


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Germany and France endorse multi-speed Europe



So which speed for Ireland? Which speed will be choosen by our Government?

Its also interesting from the perspective that both countries endorsing this have major elections coming up ..

Thoughts??
I have no doubt the Establishment both Political and Business will press for it

As the Greens & Sinn Fein are now pronounced Europhiles

- then organised Opposition will be low

However a Constitutional Referendum may well be required

- so all hope is not lost
 

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Germany and France endorse multi-speed Europe



So which speed for Ireland? Which speed will be choosen by our Government?

Its also interesting from the perspective that both countries endorsing this have major elections coming up ..

Thoughts??
I can see the original six members going forward to full Federation - electoral victories by Le Pen and Wilders not materialising in the meantime . The rest of the Eurozone - Ireland included - will adapt a wait and see, with members opting-in as time goes on and problems ironed out as they emerge.
 
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Germany and France endorse multi-speed Europe



Maltese PM hails pope, calls for multispeed EU

So which speed for Ireland? Which speed will be choosen by our Government?

Its also interesting from the perspective that both countries endorsing this have major elections coming up ..

Thoughts??

OH .. and again, no mention of this in Irish Media??
Whatever one promises the most cushy jobs for fattened public servants will be presented as a virtual done deal and rejected by Joe Soap.
 

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Germany and France endorse multi-speed Europe

Maltese PM hails pope, calls for multispeed EU

So which speed for Ireland? Which speed will be choosen by our Government?

Its also interesting from the perspective that both countries endorsing this have major elections coming up ..

Thoughts??

OH .. and again, no mention of this in Irish Media??
Slow lane for Ireland... although I reckon this is a ruse...

The EU has shown no real appetite to reform and/or end the ludicrous political/fiscal union the most enthusiastic of Europhiles pursue...

Plus for countries in the feckin' €uro I doubt there'll be much real choice as to how much they engage at all... in the unlikely event that this multi-speed Europe actually evolves...

As for 'establishment' Ireland - they will jump into the fastest lane available if we allow them to do so...
 

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In theory, the Irish elite will want to match the optimum speed to show how Europhile they are. In reality, they will get stuck in second gear, chugging along continually in ruts of
chicanery, U-turns, expedient detours and Me Feinism .....:shock:
 

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Ultimately we want free trade.

We're stuck in the euro (and have paid for the privilege).

EU armies and embassies - no thanks.

EU guilt tripping us about refugees and climate change - no thanks. But do your own thing if it matters to you.
 

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Ultimately we want free trade.

We're stuck in the euro (and have paid for the privilege).

EU armies and embassies - no thanks.

EU guilt tripping us about refugees and climate change - no thanks. But do your own thing if it matters to you.
An EU Army. Absolutely. A Federation. Yes because it would curb the power of the bigger countries.
 

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I suspect access to the Markets of the 'fast' countries will suddenly be more problematic.
The EU has one good idea , the free market , it (France and Germany) uses that to economically blackmail the rest of Europe into agreeing to French and German hegemony in all things ........
 

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This may come to be seen as the start of the break up of the EU as we now know it, an admission that it cannot function as intended with so many states at different levels of development and economic strength. Expansionism hasn't worked for the empire builders so it's time to consolidate and retrench with a two tier EU which may well form the basis of two separate trading blocs, the central core and the peripheries and it might be unwise to assume that Ireland will have a choice as to which it will belong to.

It also raises the question as to which 'EU' Britain will be leaving, indeed, a trading bloc less committed to integration may well be more palatable to the British who can see themselves as leaders of an alternative EU. Whatever, it's an interesting development.
 

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If memory serves me , the same threat was made around the time of Lisbon ref.

That's the thing with the EU , it doesn't give a damn about legitimate democratic expressions ...it's onwards towards federalisation regardless ...the EU elite and apparatchiks are right and it knows what's good for us apparently ........

In the event of a hard Brexit Ireland should seek an exit Norway style agreement ( yes pay ...it's not like our opinion counts anyway) and then sign a free trade agreement with the U.K.

But our political classes and media would prefer a catastrophic depression rather than not be 'good Europeans'
 

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The claims of Europe being united are ringing hollow are'nt they.
All united at different speeds.

The first natural unit would be the Eurozone. The axis that runs from Poland to Bulgaria will be feeling very uncomfortable with this news. Better said is it news or the formalisation of what was obvious for a long time.

The next thing about getting the Eurozone ready for the big step is to get rid of the weak members while keeping the systemically impportant ones.

Thats Greece in trouble. Italy will probably be ignored once again. Where does Ireland fit into that?

Mick
 

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Something like the EEC-speed would do just nicely with a special carve out to accommodate our relationship with Britain. Other than that I want no foreign and unelected people interfering in my country.
 

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By 'fast speed' they mean Aryan. Don't hold your breath waiting for an invite to arrive at Leinster House.
 

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By 'fast speed' they mean Aryan. Don't hold your breath waiting for an invite to arrive at Leinster House.
Quite so, Ireland will be seen as being far too close to the hated UK.
 

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Peculiarly enough Irish civil and public servants will be distinctly Euro-phile right up to the point where their salary and perks are benchmarked to the German equivalent. Or the equivalent of one of their states. Then they'll suddenly realise like turkeys that they've been voting for something of a Christmas.

The minute Irish civil and service pay and perks move out from under the shadow of the patronage and election-vote buying of the Irish political parties the nomenclatura and relevant unions will suddenly realise they have to slam the brakes on the European project :)
 

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