Nama thread pulled: here's why....

Joined
Feb 21, 2003
Messages
4,249
Website
www.politics.ie
Twitter
davidcochrane
Folks,

I've made the decision to pull a thread about the NamaWineLake list from the site.

There are a few concerns, which primarily center around the likelyhood of comments being made by users on the site that may impugn or defame members of the public who have done nothing wrong in any way.

The NamaWineLake list is a fine piece of work I'm sure, however, the "associations" column invites suspicion and commentary about people who may have no relationship with Nama. It could therefore lead members of this website to make defamatory remarks about those people "associated".

Secondly, having loans moved to Nama does not in any way suggest a developer or any other bank debtor has assets that are not performing.

As we have seen today, even elected members of parliament are being pursued for remarks they've made about developers (who through no fault of their own) have found their loans in Nama.

We want Politics.ie to be a place for quality, responsible and open debate, however the concern is that users of the site may accidentally be misled by this data, and posting remarks here that contain errors (and it's happened three times in a thread in question) leaves users here wide-open to potential defamatory proceedings.

The Terms and Conditions that users agree to by their use of Politics.ie are clear, that users are responsible for what they post on Politics.ie. But we need to be responsible here too.

To that end, whilst we're happy to encourage people to read the blog in question (we're hugely in favor of sources for users to read on) in this situation we have to ask that commentary on the document (including the "associations" or anything else) not be done on Politics.ie.

It's unfortunate, and it's not something I'm particularly happy with, but we must ensure responsible and open discussion, but also we all as users have obligations surrounding the absolute accuracy of the remarks we make here on Pie.
 
Last edited:


Joined
Aug 6, 2007
Messages
22,622
I agree as GUILT by Name Association is what was happening on the thread based on what was in that list.
 

dresden8

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2009
Messages
14,598
I agree as GUILT by Name Association is what was happening on the thread based on what was in that list.
Well, to be fair.

When the Irish people will never get the truth of what happened and justice from their government, gossip and innuendo is all that's left.

That's not our fault, it's theirs.
 
Joined
Aug 6, 2007
Messages
22,622
Well, to be fair.

When the Irish people will never get the truth of what happened and justice from their government, gossip and innuendo is all that's left.

That's not our fault, it's theirs.
When you see the association that includes data 5-6 years out of date and associations with other political parties excluded then it pretty much starts to show what its being designed for.
 

Dreaded_Estate

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 5, 2007
Messages
3,755
Absolutely the correct decision Dave.

The spreadsheet itself is a fantastic piece of work by NAMAwinelake but the comments that could follow could cause problems for individual users.

Also want to say that the NAMAwinelake blog is a fantastic resource for anything related to NAMA and the Irish property market. Keep up the great work!
 

Squire Allworthy

Well-known member
Joined
May 31, 2007
Messages
1,404
The namabound spread sheet is very interesting and a most read for everyone who can then draw their own conclusions about the accuracy or otherwise and any implications. In private of course.
 

dresden8

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2009
Messages
14,598
When you see the association that includes data 5-6 years out of date and associations with other political parties excluded then it pretty much starts to show what its being designed for.
Well, to counter that, maybe the truth should be published.

Don't hold your breath, we don't get the truth, just the bill.

Again, that's not our fault, it's theirs.
 
Joined
Aug 6, 2007
Messages
22,622
Well, to counter that, maybe the truth should be published.

Don't hold your breath, we don't get the truth, just the bill.

Again, that's not our fault, it's theirs.
Really so because you had dealings with someone then you are GUILTY by association if in doing something else that person has loans taken over by NAMA.

Loans taken over by NAMA are not even proof there is a problem.
 

oceanclub

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2006
Messages
1,300
Website
oceanclub.blogspot.com
I don't see any problem with David's action; I for one scanned that list and assumed everyone on it was linked to NAMA.

P.
 

needle_too

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 7, 2007
Messages
918
So put up a link to it on Google Docs......

There are 1600 people viewing it as of now.

EDIT - for the hard of thinking, links to this document can be found on many other Irish property and political websites.
 
Last edited:

Malbekh

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 30, 2009
Messages
3,012
Whoever deleted my post, well done, that took guts.
 

dresden8

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2009
Messages
14,598
Really so because you had dealings with someone then you are GUILTY by association if in doing something else that person has loans taken over by NAMA.

Loans taken over by NAMA are not even proof there is a problem.
Which is what I explained in this thread

http://www.politics.ie/fine-gael/139022-michael-oflynn-suing-lucinda-creighton-defamation-mail-4.html

Post #37.

However, we know we are being mis-led. We don't know and will most probably never know the truth of what happened, and is still happening.

No doubt you FF goons would prefer the people picking up the tab to "respect our betters" (to quote Mansergh), shut the ************************ up, and just stump up the money.
 

Sync

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 27, 2009
Messages
29,390
The first 50 are apparently linked to the NAMA bailout, name and shame.
There's no shame in being taken into NAMA. The list contained people with performing loans which were being fully paid off. Your (not unique) lack of understanding of the situation perfectly highlights why it needed to go.
 

Libero

Well-known member
Joined
May 22, 2004
Messages
2,994
There's no shame in being taken into NAMA. The list contained people with performing loans which were being fully paid off. Your (not unique) lack of understanding of the situation perfectly highlights why it needed to go.
Is the site now heading in the direction of banning discussion of NAMA debtors in general?

After all, if you look hard enough, you'll always find a poster who doesn't understand the topic and draws false inferences from plain facts. Will that be the excuse should the site move from banning discussion of a specific list of NAMA debtors, to banning discussion of NAMA debtors in general?
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top