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Named Person proposals for Scottish children

silverharp

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The new act will mean that, from birth, each child in Scotland will have a specific state-appointed professional, a ‘named person’, to oversee their interests, and, in particular, to oversee their safety. Initially, this named person is likely to be a health visitor or midwife, the role later being taken over by school teachers who will have the ‘duty’ and responsibility to act as the child’s guardian. The regulation of data-sharing between professionals is also to be loosened, giving the guardians new legal authority to access data from the police, local councils, NHS files.

Can anything go wrong? it seems like something that could quite easily get innocent families caught up in legal nightmares because of some idiot "named person" or cranky teenager who wasn't allowed go to a party decides to invent some bogus abuse story.

Seems to be confusion over families being able to opt out, some legal opinions commented that it is pointless if families do opt out


Majority of Scots against


Almost two-thirds of Scots parents believe the Scottish Government’s plans to appoint a “named person” for every child is “an unacceptable intrusion”, a new poll has found.

And fewer than a quarter of Scots (24 per cent) think every child should have one of the state-appointed individuals to assist with their “wellbeing”, according to a poll carried out by ComRes and commissioned by opponents of the scheme.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon last week sought to play down the significance of the impact on family life, insisting that neither parents nor youngsters will have to use the Named Person service – usually provided by health visitors or teachers – if they don’t want to.





The proposals have already been rolled out in some parts of Scotland and will come into full effect in August.



But the plans have met with fierce resistance from opponents, who have already lost a court challenge in Scotland against the legislation bringing about the change and have now taken their fight to the UK Supreme Court in London.

The poll found that 64 per cent of Scots parents were against the move.

Half of Scottish parents believe the government wants to interfere too much in family life these days, according the poll, published today by ComRes. It surveyed 532 adults in Scotland earlier this month.

The study was commissioned by The Christian Institute, part of the No To Named Persons (NO2NP) campaign.





The survey also found just 24 per cent of all Scots said they would trust a named person to always act in the best interests of a child – even where this conflicted with the wishes of the parents.

The Christian Institute’s director, Colin Hart, said: “The Named Person scheme is the most audacious power grab in the history of parenting.

“Parents are, on the whole, best placed to care and look after their children, and where they are not, the state and all of its agencies should focus on helping those people.

“It should not be targeting decent, hard-working people who are simply trying to raise their children according to their beliefs and values.”

Nicola Sturgeon seems to be a big fan, NO2NP is a group opposed to this

[video=youtube;OHyAqeKY7O0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHyAqeKY7O0[/video]
 


farnaby

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Creepy.

If it was an opt-in opportunity, that's fine - it would be a support mechanism for families who need to navigate their way through the bureaucracy of dealing with the state.

But it's not, and there's no opt-out.

Apparently:
In the vast majority of cases, the named person will be a midwife, health visitor, head teacher, deputy head teacher or guidance teacher, depending on the age of the child
So doesn't that mean that named persons will each be responsible for hundreds of children? How can they possibly accurately determine the welfare of each child? There will be mistakes and wrongful accusations a-plenty.
 

Dame_Enda

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Could become Scotland's industrial schools if done wrong.
 

Jim Car

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Complete government overreach, utterly wrong to force people into this. As one person said option is bearable (just about) but to force parents to allow a stranger have legal rights when the parents are more then capable is, I think sick.
 

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Too far. Such a system should only exist as a "step in" solution if/when things go wrong, child is abused/neglected etc. Why should teachers be landed with what appears to be a higher level of duty than I assume currently exists? I wouldn't like to be a teacher and be landed with this.
 

Dame_Enda

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This could well lose them votes in the Summer elections to the Scottish Parliament if it gets enough attention.
 

silverharp

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Too far. Such a system should only exist as a "step in" solution if/when things go wrong, child is abused/neglected etc. Why should teachers be landed with what appears to be a higher level of duty than I assume currently exists? I wouldn't like to be a teacher and be landed with this.
I saw on one report that teachers don't want to do this over the summer , and who could blame them so it makes a bit of a joke of the whole thing. I'd agree it might have some value by exception but even then why drag teachers and the like into situations that aren't their main job which could carry a lot of stress.
 

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This could well lose them votes in the Summer elections to the Scottish Parliament if it gets enough attention.
I hadn't heard of it before but there was an initial reaction last year, the election is probably why its popping up again.
 

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I saw on one report that teachers don't want to do this over the summer , and who could blame them so it makes a bit of a joke of the whole thing. I'd agree it might have some value by exception but even then why drag teachers and the like into situations that aren't their main job which could carry a lot of stress.
"In loco parentis"
 

RichardCameron

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Great to see the Scottish State taking responsibility for all its citizens the same religious loons that oppose women's rights here I see are against it - may they be crushed under the boot of the Scottish socialism - your survey is a load of ************************e also because I see it is funded propaganda by the voices in their head brigade
 

RichardCameron

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Chances are the god bothers may be concerned it would get in the way of their child abuse - what ever form that might take in line with their deities perversion
 

silverharp

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Chances are the god bothers may be concerned it would get in the way of their child abuse - what ever form that might take in line with their deities perversion
does everything have to be so binary, its perfectly logical to be an atheist and against this intrusiveness . As a parent I wouldn't want my family life on a searchable government database. The DDR would have love this kind of stuff
 

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The SNP are doing their best to create a progressive dictatorship in Scotland. The Glasgow police arrest people who tweet anything deemed offensive yet SNP suporters known as cybernats are free to troll and harass whoever they please. A football fan was recently locked up by the SNP for 4 months for singing a song. Nigel Farage was attacked by a SNP/leftie mob in Edinburgh and forced to cancel a meeting. The "named person" scheme is basically a tyrannical attempt by the state to take over parenting so that all children will be raised to think a certain way.
 

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This sounds like the kind of half baked idea that maybe stems from Scotland being half independent.

Also, is it not the case that the Scottish legislature is uni-cameral, ie if one party has an overall majority in parliament (which they do), there is no upper house to put the brakes on. I would hope that even our own dysfunctional seanad would see the pitfalls in this one.
 

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I just don't get this.It looks like something hatched in a focus group or somesuch. Good, robust child protection legislation would be more effective.
 

Dame_Enda

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The Unionist parties will say "Vote for Independence - Lose your Children". This will come back to haunt the SNP in another referendum should it happen.
 

Polybius

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does everything have to be so binary, its perfectly logical to be an atheist and against this intrusiveness . As a parent I wouldn't want my family life on a searchable government database. The DDR would have love this kind of stuff
The real question is whether you trust parents to raise their children or not. The authoritarian leftie progressives think most people are bigots, racists, abusers etc. and not fit to raise children. Therefore the raising of children must be supervised by state appointed bureaucrats who will be constantly looking for an excuse to interfere in family life and ask parents to justify every decision they make about their child's welfare.
 

Polybius

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This sounds like the kind of half baked idea that maybe stems from Scotland being half independent.

Also, is it not the case that the Scottish legislature is uni-cameral, ie if one party has an overall majority in parliament (which they do), there is no upper house to put the brakes on. I would hope that even our own dysfunctional seanad would see the pitfalls in this one.
Most of the worst ideas in Ireland politics originate in the Seanad. Loraine Higgins essentially wanted to criminalise saying inconsiderate things on the internet.
 

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Regardless of the rights or wrongs of it, it won't work. Just look at the farcical Social worker system in the Uk. Time and time again cases slip through the net because there aren't enough Social workers to cope with the numbers of vulnerable children and there seems to be a trend of children being murdered who were know to social services but whose situations weren't dealt with, for whatever reason. It's just a case of politicians appearing to do something while doing nothing.
 


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