Narcissism

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It's a word that's thrown around lot these days yet there seems to be a general lack of awareness as to what it actually means. Everyone has narcissistic traits to one degree or another and in its benign form it's not such a bad thing if only mildly annoying but in its extreme form it's a highly dangerous and sinister personality disorder that sucks the life out of anyone unfortunate enough to become the victim(s) of a narcissist. It's not merely being arrogant, brash, obnoxious, demanding, flashy etc......although it may sometimes include one of more of these things. Most Narcissists are clever enough to know when to reel it in when they should.

Freud said a few things about it and then it was pretty much buried for decades until it resurfaced as a mainstream topic sometime in the 1980's / 90's. No one would take much of what Freud did too seriously these days and a lot more has been researched since then, especially in the last few decades. Estimates vary but a round figure that appears most consistently is roughly around 6% of the population though it's arguable that prevailing social and economic factors could swing that somewhat either way

It is defined as a Cluster B personality disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of the American Psychiatric Association, a reference material used worldwide by psychotherapists and other mental health professionals. There are something like 10 personality disorders listed and around 4 of them are categorised under this cluster, which refers to personality disorders characterised by dramatic, over emotional or unpredictable thinking or behaviour. It is not known exactly what causes it but heavily suspected are the early childhood environment and associated punitive climate in the home, though hereditary factors may also play a part. It can be very loosely thought of as a severely maladjusted ego defence mechanism.

Narcissists come is a few different varieties but are generally split into either the overt or covert type. They rarely get diagnosed but anyone unlucky enough to cross paths with them and become targets will certainly feel significant negative effects and usually they are the ones who end up going for help in one form or another. Some people end up in relationships with them, others are born into a family with them, some may have to work with them or serve with them in some other fashion. They have been known to change the most easy going, confident and well balanced individuals into a neurotic hot mess in a matter of weeks.

The whole point is that this seems to be on the rise and if we're not careful it may become an epidemic. I'm expecting some negative reaction but that's fine, I just think that there needs to be a lot more awareness about this issue and especially in a country that has always struggled with openness and moving forward when it comes to mental health issues.

There are any number of books, videos, blogs, vlogs, social media forums and other resources out there on this issue and I'd encourage anyone to check them out.
 


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It's a word that's thrown around lot these days yet there seems to be a general lack of awareness as to what it actually means. Everyone has narcissistic traits to one degree or another and in its benign form it's not such a bad thing if only mildly annoying but in its extreme form it's a highly dangerous and sinister personality disorder that sucks the life out of anyone unfortunate enough to become the victim(s) of a narcissist. It's not merely being arrogant, brash, obnoxious, demanding, flashy etc......although it may sometimes include one of more of these things. Most Narcissists are clever enough to know when to reel it in when they should.

Freud said a few things about it and then it was pretty much buried for decades until it resurfaced as a mainstream topic sometime in the 1980's / 90's. No one would take much of what Freud did too seriously these days and a lot more has been researched since then, especially in the last few decades. Estimates vary but a round figure that appears most consistently is roughly around 6% of the population though it's arguable that prevailing social and economic factors could swing that somewhat either way

It is defined as a Cluster B personality disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of the American Psychiatric Association, a reference material used worldwide by psychotherapists and other mental health professionals. There are something like 10 personality disorders listed and around 4 of them are categorised under this cluster, which refers to personality disorders characterised by dramatic, over emotional or unpredictable thinking or behaviour. It is not known exactly what causes it but heavily suspected are the early childhood environment and associated punitive climate in the home, though hereditary factors may also play a part. It can be very loosely thought of as a severely maladjusted ego defence mechanism.

Narcissists come is a few different varieties but are generally split into either the overt or covert type. They rarely get diagnosed but anyone unlucky enough to cross paths with them and become targets will certainly feel significant negative effects and usually they are the ones who end up going for help in one form or another. Some people end up in relationships with them, others are born into a family with them, some may have to work with them or serve with them in some other fashion. They have been known to change the most easy going, confident and well balanced individuals into a neurotic hot mess in a matter of weeks.

The whole point is that this seems to be on the rise and if we're not careful it may become an epidemic. I'm expecting some negative reaction but that's fine, I just think that there needs to be a lot more awareness about this issue and especially in a country that has always struggled with openness and moving forward when it comes to mental health issues.

There are any number of books, videos, blogs, vlogs, social media forums and other resources out there on this issue and I'd encourage anyone to check them out.

What about your issues?
 

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Like Stockholm syndrome narcissism is generally thrown about and misused i.e. Donald Trump been regularly called a narcissist. He may be an arrogant, obnoxious, nasty pr!ck - but that doesn't make him an actual narcissist. Trump comes across as boorish etc probably because he was a spoiled brat and apes his daddy's arrogance. Whereas a genuine narcissist may probably be the most pleasant in a room of say, 20 people. That's known as the social mask of an narcissist. Nurse Ratchet in the movie One Flu Over the Cuckoos Nest would be a fine example of a narc. OJ Simpson is a good example of a real life narc. Narcissism is a personality disorder not a mental illness, they are 100% aware of the hurt and cruelty they carry out, and it's incurable.



(Now 3,2,1 all the wannabe comedians will come on claiming all SFers to be narcasists and me in particular blah, blah, ha, ha .... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ)
 
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[video=youtube;f7k-q21pJzQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7k-q21pJzQ[/video]
 

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Lots of videos out there but this one hits on some of the right things....

[video]https://youtu.be/rLCPDYt1wYk[/video]
 

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Like Stockholm syndrome narcissism is generally thrown about and misused i.e. Donald Trump been regularly called a narcissist. He may be an arrogant, obnoxious, nasty pr!ck - but that doesn't make him an actual narcissist.
If I recall correctly I have heard a psychologist diagnose Trump as a "narcissist" on RTE . Without naming names :He was a Professor and had a Scottish accent. (He is very well respected)
 

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If I recall correctly I have heard a psychologist diagnose Trump as a "narcissist" on RTE . Without naming names :He was a Professor and had a Scottish accent. (He is very well respected)
And when did he sit down and talk to Trumpy?
 

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If I recall correctly I have heard a psychologist diagnose Trump as a "narcissist" on RTE . Without naming names :He was a Professor and had a Scottish accent. (He is very well respected)
Fine, another Professor of psychology may say no he's a sociopath or a psychopath. There are different theory's to say whether narcissism is caused by genetics, family relationships or both. It's not an exact science like engineering or whatever. My interest in it is because I knew one in the past, a supervisor, nicest guy you would think you'd ever meet - not until he ingratiated himself with everyone and started playing office politics after a few months.
 

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Lots of videos out there but this one hits on some of the right things....

[video]https://youtu.be/rLCPDYt1wYk[/video]
This one is much better.

[video=youtube;tIeHhl_Lhsk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIeHhl_Lhsk[/video]
 

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It's a word that's thrown around lot these days yet there seems to be a general lack of awareness as to what it actually means. Everyone has narcissistic traits to one degree or another and in its benign form it's not such a bad thing if only mildly annoying but in its extreme form it's a highly dangerous and sinister personality disorder that sucks the life out of anyone unfortunate enough to become the victim(s) of a narcissist. It's not merely being arrogant, brash, obnoxious, demanding, flashy etc......although it may sometimes include one of more of these things. Most Narcissists are clever enough to know when to reel it in when they should.

Freud said a few things about it and then it was pretty much buried for decades until it resurfaced as a mainstream topic sometime in the 1980's / 90's. No one would take much of what Freud did too seriously these days and a lot more has been researched since then, especially in the last few decades. Estimates vary but a round figure that appears most consistently is roughly around 6% of the population though it's arguable that prevailing social and economic factors could swing that somewhat either way

It is defined as a Cluster B personality disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of the American Psychiatric Association, a reference material used worldwide by psychotherapists and other mental health professionals. There are something like 10 personality disorders listed and around 4 of them are categorised under this cluster, which refers to personality disorders characterised by dramatic, over emotional or unpredictable thinking or behaviour. It is not known exactly what causes it but heavily suspected are the early childhood environment and associated punitive climate in the home, though hereditary factors may also play a part. It can be very loosely thought of as a severely maladjusted ego defence mechanism.

Narcissists come is a few different varieties but are generally split into either the overt or covert type. They rarely get diagnosed but anyone unlucky enough to cross paths with them and become targets will certainly feel significant negative effects and usually they are the ones who end up going for help in one form or another. Some people end up in relationships with them, others are born into a family with them, some may have to work with them or serve with them in some other fashion. They have been known to change the most easy going, confident and well balanced individuals into a neurotic hot mess in a matter of weeks.

The whole point is that this seems to be on the rise and if we're not careful it may become an epidemic. I'm expecting some negative reaction but that's fine, I just think that there needs to be a lot more awareness about this issue and especially in a country that has always struggled with openness and moving forward when it comes to mental health issues.

There are any number of books, videos, blogs, vlogs, social media forums and other resources out there on this issue and I'd encourage anyone to check them out.
What are ye on about, me oul' daffodil?
 

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Extreme narcissism cropped up time and time again in psychiatric evaluations commissioned by the US conference of bishops on their crop of child abusers.

Seems to be a factor relating back to the encouragement of the 'special' child chosen by god etc etc and told they are different to others kids, kept away from normal socialisation with other children and an arrested adolescence.
 

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If I recall correctly I have heard a psychologist diagnose Trump as a "narcissist" on RTE . Without naming names :He was a Professor and had a Scottish accent. (He is very well respected)
From the man who defined what NPD is ...

Most amateur diagnosticians have mislabeled President Trump with the diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder. I wrote the criteria that define this disorder, and Mr. Trump doesn’t meet them. He may be a world-class narcissist, but this doesn’t make him mentally ill, because he does not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder.
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His psychological motivations are too obvious to be interesting, and analyzing them will not halt his headlong power grab. The antidote to a dystopic Trumpean dark age is political, not psychological.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/opinion/an-eminent-psychiatrist-demurs-on-trumps-mental-state.html?_r=0

That being said, I'm one who would have to be convinced he isn't.
 

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This one is much better.

[video=youtube;tIeHhl_Lhsk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIeHhl_Lhsk[/video]
Better at explaining it or exemplifying it?

I mean, anyone who starts off with "I'm the person who says the things that everyone else is too terrified to say..." seems a bit narcissistic to me.
 


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