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National Broadband - is this amazing leadership, electioneering or a corrupt waste of tax - what do you think?


The NBP as is currently proposed looks like a bad deal for the tax payers

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 69.2%
  • No

    Votes: 4 30.8%

  • Total voters
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artfoley56

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We didn't have a GE over any capital spending in Dublin so why must we have one when the spend is beyond the M50?
nothing to do with rural/urban divide. lots to do with it looking as bent as an S hook
 

Supra

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That's a pretty positive outcome given that work will be done in country areas rather than in Dublin. The trade mix will be a lot different from that of house building, heavier on electrical than civil rather than vice versa.
Dublin will require this work regardless of where else there is work being carried out.
The trade mix will overlap heavily.
 

hiding behind a poster

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You'd assume they would be kicking up about this if it was the case, but on the other hand it's hard to understand how any business would turn down a 1500% ROI.

Denis Naughten would give the impression that he had to do an awful lot of spade work to keep even the one bidder in the race (lots of face to face dinners across the globe, etc.)

For transparency it would be good to have the original bidders outline their reasons for withdrawing and whether they had access to the same level of engagement with the government and/or the same apparently sweet deal.
Most likely because it isn't a 1500% ROI. The company get paid b y the State in instalments AFTER they deliver the product they're contracted to deliver. And, shock horror, that will cost them money. A lot of money.

You really do seem determined to misrepresent this process at every step.
 

The OD

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I'm waiting for the next painfully unfunny quip from Leo while Eoghan Murphy tries valiantly (yet in vain) to find out what exactly it is up his arse that is bothering him (spoiler, its his head).
 

ON THE ONE ROAD

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The amusing thing being, on this thread and others, that many on here want to change tendering rules in order to permit such favouritism, while simultaneously claiming they want to prevent it.

Its fair weather fans stuff. Shouting no 4 and all sorts from the stands and just recking the heads of the people who go every week.
 

belcoo666

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Most likely because it isn't a 1500% ROI. The company get paid b y the State in instalments AFTER they deliver the product they're contracted to deliver. And, shock horror, that will cost them money. A lot of money.

You really do seem determined to misrepresent this process at every step.
No Sir it is you who really do seem determined to misrepresent this process at every step"
Perhaps as a Fine Gael troll you are happy with taxpayers money been wasted once again
 

wombat

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Yet with Dublin projects like the children's hospital or the Luas extension opposition focussed on the detail whereas with this project it's the principle that's being attacked.
As far as I can see, all parties are in favour, just like the Childrens' hospital but they all want to be like Kerrymen and not start from here. I think we will have a few more weeks of posing but if a contract can be agreed, it will go ahead.
 

wombat

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Perhaps as a Fine Gael troll you are happy with taxpayers money been wasted once again
Its fair enough to say its a waste of money but people should at least be honest and say they want the current project cancelled and a redesigned project started as an alternative.
 

Round tower

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Its fair enough to say its a waste of money but people should at least be honest and say they want the current project cancelled and a redesigned project started as an alternative.
What waste another 10 years + on it, what quarantee thaat the alternative will be any better or cheaper, if the contract is cancelled is their not a good chance of litigation
 

Mrs. Crotta Cliach

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In rural areas ESB is on poles, very tall poles but poles anyway. They have written agreements with landowners to cross their fields with the poles. Eir would have to be added to every single contract to allow them to run their lines on ESB poles. ESB has few problems with lines going down, but Eir would be climbing up there all the time increasing liability for ESB.
 

wombat

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What waste another 10 years + on it, what quarantee thaat the alternative will be any better or cheaper, if the contract is cancelled is their not a good chance of litigation
Those are the choices although SF & FF believe it should be taken away from current bidder and given to ESB who would do a better job, or so they say.
 

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