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National Broadband - is this amazing leadership, electioneering or a corrupt waste of tax - what do you think?


The NBP as is currently proposed looks like a bad deal for the tax payers

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 72.2%
  • No

    Votes: 5 27.8%

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jmcc

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So why do FGers think it is acceptable for one of Denis O'Brien's companies to be involved in this?
 


hiding behind a poster

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So why do FGers think it is acceptable for one of Denis O'Brien's companies to be involved in this?
Why shouldn't it be acceptable?
 

jmcc

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Try reading your own link, you muppet. At no point does O'Donovan call for a ban on web browsers.
O'Donovan is the typical class of thick gombeen that your FG attracts. You probably even look up to him as some kind of expert on this whole Internet thing. He called for a crackdown on Internet browsers.
 

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Giving broadband to rural Ireland is a good idea. It is just that Fine Gael in particular have a long history of botching up such projects. And also a history of cronyism and corruption.
 

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I think the key point is waiting, should the plan go ahead as proposed or put on hold until a better option comes along? I have my doubts about the satellite proposal, especially one owned by Amazon. Its interesting that those who object to private ownership of fibre lines have no problem with depending on the goodness of Amazon to provide a cheaper service.
Exactly. Suppose there were no petrol stations in rural Ireland, and the cost of building and maintaining them outweighed the benefits to the oil companies. Does the government subsidise them now in order to drive economic activity, or wait on the basis that in a few years we might - might - all be using hydrogen fuel cells?
The answer is obvious.
 

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Esat and avoiding paying CGT on its sale. Payments to FG minister Michael Lowry.
Lowry is 20 years out of FG, no tax law was broken re CGT, and what was wrong with Esat?
 

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id actually say the key point is whether or not the BB plan justifies putting essential services such as schools, primary care centres and ambulances on hold
Which it isn't doing.
 

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You know that old expression "excusing is loosing"...well, you seem to be doing a LOT of excusing for what most now judge to be a very poor decision by the government.
Really, most who, exactly? And at least I'm dealing in facts. You're just throwing wild accusations around, all the while knowingly tapping your own nose to suggest you might know something.
 

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Lowry is 20 years out of FG, no tax law was broken re CGT, and what was wrong with Esat?
O'Brien's payments to Lowry? Information provided by Lowry? But to an FG shill like yourself, that's all an acceptable part of a day's business in FG, isn't it?
 

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Interesting piece, which if correct, does deal with the ownership question to an extent. It kind of makes sense in that the value of the network can only be based on the revenue that you can make out if it, rather than the cost that you put into it.
 

jmcc

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Interesting piece, which if correct, does deal with the ownership question to an extent. It kind of makes sense in that the value of the network can only be based on the revenue that you can make out if it, rather than the cost that you put into it.
From the Dindo by a non-tech? Let's see an alternative analysis before making any such decisions.
 

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Interesting piece, which if correct, does deal with the ownership question to an extent. It kind of makes sense in that the value of the network can only be based on the revenue that you can make out if it, rather than the cost that you put into it.
It was Bruton who came up with the value - based on it being about 10% of Eir's installations and Eir sold for 3b, its an order of magnitude figure, not a detailed analysis but its a reasonable estimate.
 

jmcc

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You're the one looking for UFOs, found any lately?
Well this PC is currently tracking 17 aircraft (all identified) overhead using some rather advanced electronics and a rather simple homebrew antenna made from a few pieces of cable. If I see any, I'll let you know. :)
 

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There are some people who will use rural broadband not for good- but for nefarious purposes. Some people say in Listowel, who might not be looking up company share prices or sports results, but the "dark" side of the web.
 

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