National Broadband - is this amazing leadership, electioneering or a corrupt waste of tax - what do you think?

The NBP as is currently proposed looks like a bad deal for the tax payers

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fifilawe

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why didn't the Govt split the country into regions and put each region to tender.The region with the most "difficult and sparse population would get the most govt/public subsidy" and the region that was most profitable for the contractor would get the least public subsidy? Am I stupid ? or am I missising the wood from the trees?.The contract(s) should never have been awarded to a single bidder/contractor it is beginning to look like another Tribunal in the making years from now.Who could not learn something from Ésat/Moriarity ? FFG and their cronies ,I suppose.
 


brughahaha

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Except its 2 billion. :)
Link please ...... given your propensity for defending FGs indefensible


The move comes after it was confirmed today that the firm designated as the preferred bidder for the National Broadband Plan will invest an initial €220 million in equity and working capital to help fund the project.
 

wombat

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Link please ...... given your propensity for defending FGs indefensible
The estimated overall project cost is 5 billion, state subsidy approx 3 billion which leaves private investment approx 2 billion. The 200 million is an up front fund to get the project started, the state subsidy is based on work done, every contract has up front costs incurred by contractor or project manager.
 

brughahaha

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The estimated overall project cost is 5 billion, state subsidy approx 3 billion which leaves private investment approx 2 billion. The 200 million is an up front fund to get the project started, the state subsidy is based on work done, every contract has up front costs incurred by contractor or project manager.

So the initial investment is 220 million with no set timetable for further investment , and which they could easily flip before further investment .....so again

As I stated the investment is 220 million ( the rest is conjecture , nothing else)

Whats is a fact is that McCourt will spend 220 million and get a monopoly on the fibre cable for 540,000 premises or just over €400 a premises

Youve reached HBAP levels of blind shilling and zero credibility at this stage
 

wombat

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Whats is a fact is that McCourt will spend 220 million and get a monopoly on the fibre cable for 540,000 premises or just over €400 a premises
No, they'll get the usual preliminaries, award contracts, order material, plan the project, its quite simple really but until they build something there will be no return on that investment. If a conspiracy makes you happy, have at it. :)
 

brughahaha

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No, they'll get the usual preliminaries, award contracts, order material, plan the project, its quite simple really but until they build something there will be no return on that investment. If a conspiracy makes you happy, have at it. :)

Again ...because you are nearly as big a bluffer as some other right wing nut jobs lurking here ....... a single Link to your contentions .....because the Journal article I linked to mentions nothing about McCourt spending a further 1.8 billion

Neither does this article , titled "Everything you need to Know about the Broadband scheme"


The only one who claims it will cost "up to 5 billion" is the company who have announced they are investing only 220 million...and neither they nor the Government have produced anything to back that up

So Im curious how you are so certain the cost is 5 billion as the costings have not been published?

So I'll try again .....Link please
 

stopdoingstuff

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I don’t believe rural Ireland should get any services , they should pay significantly less tax and then fend for themselves (no schools, roads , etc paid for by the state ) . They can then use their extra money to pay for what they want.
Which is basically just hurling and incest, both of which are free.
 

brughahaha

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Whats the real story I wonder?

The real story is FG don't even know what they're paying for or who they are selling to..........
A continuance of the cack handed incompetence combined with swooning at the feet of billionaires they've shown for the last 8 years
 

Disillusioned democrat

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The real story is FG don't even know what they're paying for or who they are selling to..........
A continuance of the cack handed incompetence combined with swooning at the feet of billionaires they've shown for the last 8 years
Bruton misled the Dail? There's a stink coming off this deal that just won't go away...I'm beginning to think it's just about damage limitation for the local elections and shortly thereafter the government will claim to have become uncomfortable with the deal and pull out of it, blaming everyone but themselves, obviously.
 

brughahaha

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Bruton misled the Dail? There's a stink coming off this deal that just won't go away...I'm beginning to think it's just about damage limitation for the local elections and shortly thereafter the government will claim to have become uncomfortable with the deal and pull out of it, blaming everyone but themselves, obviously.

Probably not deliberately ....its just the rampant incompetence of the administration and senior levels of the PS.

As I say they seem to meekly subjugate and prostrate themselves whenever dealing with the wealthy and perceived powerful

its an integral part of Iris snobbery , complete deference to money and power ,the need and desire for a sponsor to pull strings ,and the selective application of rules and laws ........... you know the deeply ingrained class system we try to pretend doesnt exist
 

Splodge

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Perhaps it's to do with the notion that in a democratic republic the government shouldn't maintain a blacklist of people or businesses?
A tribunal found against O Bribe. FG keep looking after him as much as they can. What has got on FG?
 

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A rail link in Dublin to go to the Airport for a few miles is costing 3 billion also and not a work against it . Yet 3 billion spent on rural Ireland over nearly 10 years is a problem . There is more to Ireland than Dublin
 

atkin8

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This broadband can surely be done with wireless technology at less cost whatever system they choose to use will be outdated after 10 years .
 

Disillusioned democrat

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A rail link in Dublin to go to the Airport for a few miles is costing 3 billion also and not a work against it . Yet 3 billion spent on rural Ireland over nearly 10 years is a problem . There is more to Ireland than Dublin
Will the rail link belong to a private company that invested less than 7% of the overall cost...if not, then there's no real comparison.

To be far, though - after today's revelation that the government doesn't even know who the investors are you have to expect this to die a death very soon.

Bruton has already misled the Dail and by rights should be resigning, it can't be long before Varadkar's fingerprints are found all over this too.
 

omgsquared

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A rail link in Dublin to go to the Airport for a few miles is costing 3 billion also and not a work against it . Yet 3 billion spent on rural Ireland over nearly 10 years is a problem . There is more to Ireland than Dublin
Agrred, Unfortuntealy most travellers in and out of Ireland land and take off in Dublin, The greater Dublin /Leinster area provides housing, jobs and the majority of government revenue. It also has to deal with the majority of crime, drugs , higher housing cost, lowest home ownewrship, higher living costs and for the vast majority the quality of life is well below that of the rural Ireland.
No spending 3Bn maybe even more on broadband cannot be justified from any angle.
 

LISTOWEL MAN

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great timing tea shock

election coming up and FG regurgitate broadband for the poor pee pull in rural ireland
 


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