National Broadband - is this amazing leadership, electioneering or a corrupt waste of tax - what do you think?

The NBP as is currently proposed looks like a bad deal for the tax payers

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 73.5%
  • No

    Votes: 9 26.5%

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Dame_Enda

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Do we know who the shareholders are in the Granahan-McCourt consortium?
 

hiding behind a poster

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But if Eir get the contract will there be room for Siteserv/Actavo?
They're one of the biggest infrastructure firms in the country, so there's a reasonable chance Eir use them already. What's your point?
 

ON THE ONE ROAD

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Every second person has a horror story about their customer service, but they have just completed the installation of over 300,000 of these exact rural fibre broadbands on time and within budget so they know how to do this work and they aren't going to be duplicating their own work like the other crowd are planning to do.
They took the low hanging fruit. Fair play to them, but the reason they aren't doing the rest of their own bat is because it is challenging. A half to a billion of government money, not their own. The comparison isn't as neat as is made out. If it was eir wouldn't be waiting for an invitation.
 

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They took the low hanging fruit. Fair play to them, but the reason they aren't doing the rest of their own bat is because it is challenging. A half to a billion of government money, not their own. The comparison isn't as neat as is made out. If it was eir wouldn't be waiting for an invitation.
Thats not entirely true. they didn't take all the low hanging fruit. They had a fixed budget and 300,000 approx was all they could do. I think they have said another 150K is commercial also.
 

ON THE ONE ROAD

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Thats not entirely true. they didn't take all the low hanging fruit. They had a fixed budget and 300,000 approx was all they could do. I think they have said another 150K is commercial also.
That's playing with words.

The point was
Using the 300, 000 as an example for the roll out of broadband in the intervention area does not work. One was commercially viable, they are prepared to invest their own money.
The other is challenging, they say they can do it on the states money for half to a billion. Notice the difference and if can believe it I have a few things to sell you.

The objective of the state is to get every home access to a minimum of 30mbps. There is about half a million premises that do not have that at the moment.

The state can't stop eir taking another 150k under state aid rules, it can't even stop them taking the full 500k. It would be doing the state a favour if it done all of it with out any cost to the state. It won't though, and it has told the state it won't on the terms the state wants.
 

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It is a complete waste of taxpayers money and this deal should be ceased before legal agreements are signed.
 

ON THE ONE ROAD

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It is a complete waste of taxpayers money and this deal should be ceased before legal agreements are signed.
How do you propose business in this state will compete with business in other neighbouring states when they get this superior infrastructure built and we don't.

Its a communication channel. How can drastically improving the communications infrastructure in the state be a waste.


Saying fibre is a waste is like some forgotten roman saying there is no point building all those roads.
 

Baron von Biffo

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How do you propose business in this state will compete with business in other neighbouring states when they get this superior infrastructure built and we don't.

Its a communication channel. How can drastically improving the communications infrastructure in the state be a waste.


Saying fibre is a waste is like some forgotten roman saying there is no point building all those roads.
It's not so much an issue with the technology but the idea of providing services beyond the M50 that's causing such angst.
 

Disillusioned democrat

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So it looks like the deal that 75% of people think is a very bad deal for the country is going to go ahead next week.

€3bn of the citizens money will be spent to give a private company a 25 year monopoly on rural broadband.

The numbers are so massive it’s hard to see it as fraud, but ultimately that’s what most people believe it to be.
 

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How do you propose business in this state will compete with business in other neighbouring states when they get this superior infrastructure built and we don't.

Its a communication channel. How can drastically improving the communications infrastructure in the state be a waste.


Saying fibre is a waste is like some forgotten roman saying there is no point building all those roads.
The rate of advancement in internet waiting a few years could easily see a better system . Think back to the old dial up modem and compare it with wireless which is far cheaper and faster .
 

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Wouldn't it be much cheaper and faster to insert a bluetooth chip in every citizen's brain?
 

Disillusioned democrat

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do the Healy Raes have their greedy hands in it ?
The Healy-Raes only deal in the €ms - it takes the big boys of Irish parliamentary politics to deal in the €bns.

This is a truly bizarre deal - €3bn of tax payers money to be spent to create a private sector money machine monopoly.

How about every TD who has supported this or abstained from opposing it has their pension index linked to the success of this project in terms of pubic return on investment?

This stinks to high heaven - I suspect long after many of today's FG ministers are retired comfortably people will scratch their heads and wonder how we ever thought this was a good idea.
 

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Wouldn't it be much cheaper and faster to insert a bluetooth chip in every citizen's brain?
Search time makes it impractical.
 

Rocky

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The Healy-Raes only deal in the €ms - it takes the big boys of Irish parliamentary politics to deal in the €bns.

This is a truly bizarre deal - €3bn of tax payers money to be spent to create a private sector money machine monopoly.

How about every TD who has supported this or abstained from opposing it has their pension index linked to the success of this project in terms of pubic return on investment?

This stinks to high heaven - I suspect long after many of today's FG ministers are retired comfortably people will scratch their heads and wonder how we ever thought this was a good idea.
Or the network will be a success and the cost of it will be forgotten.

Btw if it was a money machine, it would already have been built by the private sector.

Finally not sure how you can quantify the public return on the investment.
 


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