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Nationalism In Crisis


between the bridges

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Nationalism is in crisis while confident unionism can attract the support of more Catholics, First Minister Peter Robinson has claimed.

The DUP leader told a party gathering that the fastest-growing section of Northern Ireland society is neither ‘unionist’ or ‘nationalist’.

Instead many people are defining themselves as ‘Northern Irish’ — putting the nationalist goal of a united Ireland further away than ever, he argued.
Read more: Peter Robinson: DUP can entice more Catholics - Northern Ireland, Local & National - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

He claimed the republican goal of a United Ireland was as far away as ever.

“Their grand plan by their grand strategist (Gerry) Adams has failed.

“To avoid the hard truths of home he wanders the world trying to convince the ignorant and the gullible that it’ll happen any day now.

“The dirty work of playing the sectarian card he leaves to his henchmen, something he was always wont to do.”
‘Nationalism is in crisis’ Peter Robinson tells a DUP gathering - Headlines - Belfast Newsletter

I doubt many of us believe that the DUP is going to be inundated by CNR members or voters, however it is plain to see that the vast majority on both 'sides' are actually happy with the status quo. Increasingly the trend is towards a Northern Irish identity. At some stage we and our politicians are going to have to accept this and move from tribal politics and concentrate on doing what is best for n.i. Personally i favor a form of devo-max with a number of north-south bodies overseeing areas of mutual interest, or in short screwing what we can out of both London and Dublin...
 


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SDLP and DUP's position on abortion closer to many Derry Catholics than Mary-Lou od Dublin SF.
 

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Read more: Peter Robinson: DUP can entice more Catholics - Northern Ireland, Local & National - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk



‘Nationalism is in crisis’ Peter Robinson tells a DUP gathering - Headlines - Belfast Newsletter

I doubt many of us believe that the DUP is going to be inundated by CNR members or voters, however it is plain to see that the vast majority on both 'sides' are actually happy with the status quo. Increasingly the trend is towards a Northern Irish identity. At some stage we and our politicians are going to have to accept this and move from tribal politics and concentrate on doing what is best for n.i. Personally i favor a form of devo-max with a number of north-south bodies overseeing areas of mutual interest, or in short screwing what we can out of both London and Dublin...
To move away from tribalism, both groups will have to lose somethng, ie, the OO and marching bands will have to go. Same for the CNR community, the gaa, music etc will have to go. Can you really see that happening and even if it did, what's to fill the gaping void that's left?

Moving towards an Northern Irish identity is just spin from the DUP. Do they not realise that that is bad news for them for it's moving from a British identity to an Irish identity.

Dublin and London are losing interest in NI in general as it is not worth the damage that it could do to both countries. Our 1 billion in trade between both nations is far more important than NI will ever be again.
 

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To move away from tribalism, both groups will have to lose somethng, ie, the OO and marching bands will have to go. Same for the CNR community, the gaa, music etc will have to go. Can you really see that happening and even if it did, what's to fill the gaping void that's left?

Moving towards an Northern Irish identity is just spin from the DUP. Do they not realise that that is bad news for them for it's moving from a British identity to an Irish identity.

Dublin and London are losing interest in NI in general as it is not worth the damage that it could do to both countries. Our 1 billion in trade between both nations is far more important than NI will ever be again.
neither the OO or the GAA (both all ireland and international organisations) have to be given up, they just have to stop dabbling in politics! as for the move away from britishness the reality is PUL have always identified with themselves first and foremost, so it's more a movement from ulsterness to northern irishness...
 

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I do realise Purpledon that you are from the south of the border and hence do not have a nuanced understanding of many of these issues, but the DUP has always been more of an Ulster Nationalist party than a British Nationalist party. This is not new.
 
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Load of delusional poo, again from Robinson.

Of course some folk may have adopted a 'Northern Irish' identity, but that does not exclude them from being nationalist.

Let the deranged unionists lie to themselves to make reality seem like a dream, when it is in fact their nightmare, as deep down they know the truth.

Do you think that in an actual real referendum that the vast, vast majority of Catholics and and moderate nationalists wouldn't vote for a UI? You think they'd pass up the opportunity and legacy of being the generation that finally reunited Ireland and kicked off the shackles of British rule? It's funny how unionist thinking negates actual reality.
 

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Can you imagine Gerry Adams taking to the SF ard fheis podium and claiming that southern unionists/orange men are not unionists anymore because they have adopted some Irish identity because they live there? :lol: It's ludicrous.

Let unionists cling to their comfort/safety blankets. They see the re-greening of the 6 counties, the removal of the butcher's apron and the upcoming census, of course it is bound to touch a nerve with them...
 

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Can you imagine Gerry Adams taking to the SF ard fheis podium and claiming that southern unionists/orange men are not unionists anymore because they have adopted some Irish identity because they live there? :lol: It's ludicrous.

Let unionists cling to their comfort/safety blankets. They see the re-greening of the 6 counties, the removal of the butcher's apron and the upcoming census, of course it is bound to touch a nerve with them...
methinks something has touched a nerve with some one alright...
 

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Can you imagine Gerry Adams taking to the SF ard fheis podium and claiming that southern unionists/orange men are not unionists anymore because they have adopted some Irish identity because they live there? :lol: It's ludicrous.

Let unionists cling to their comfort/safety blankets. They see the re-greening of the 6 counties, the removal of the butcher's apron and the upcoming census, of course it is bound to touch a nerve with them...

This latest stunt by Robinson reeks of yet more unionist desperation, expect more such dopey statements from unionist politicos in the coming days.


Btw Global, what time is the apron being removed?
 

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Peadar speaking of mythical catholic unionists and nationalism in crisis etc is a good gage of how desperate and worried Unionism is.

He is certainly very worried at present. He has obviously seen the census results.
 

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This latest stunt by Robinson reeks of yet more unionist desperation, expect more such dopey statements from unionist politicos in the coming days.


Btw Global, what time is the apron being removed?
Hopefully sometime this week, but expect a undemocratic unionist stunt of obstruction and violence.
 

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Nationalism In Crisis?:lol:
More like Peter and co out hunting for mythical unicorns.
 

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Peter Robinson is probably correct when he claims that nationalism is in decline. I am not sure that the temporary difficulties of the Eire economy are important in this. Eire will probably have many booms and many recessions before a United Ireland is a realistic prospect.

I think Robinson is talking rubbish when he suggests that many Catholics will support the DUP.

Some posters have suggested that increased Catholic contentment with the UK will lead to a decline in tribalism. I do not believe that theory. There is plenty of tension between Whites and Blacks in the USA even though most of both tribes are content to remain in the USA. Nor should we overlook tribalism in Bradford.

I believe that the Northern Ireland Assembly will collapse. The UK government will probably respond by dividing Northern Ireland into tribal zones. I expect the future of Northern Ireland will be in the UK - and it will be a segregated future.
 

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Hopefully sometime this week, but expect a undemocratic unionist stunt of obstruction and violence.


Secretary Clinton's visit may deter the hordes from violence and obstruction, pity both flags were not flying for her visit as it would have been an indictment of her hard work during the peace process.
 
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Peter Robinson is probably correct when he claims that nationalism is in decline. I am not sure that the temporary difficulties of the Eire economy are important in this. Eire will probably have many booms and many recessions before a United Ireland is a realistic prospect.

I think Robinson is talking rubbish when he suggests that many Catholics will support the DUP.

Some posters have suggested that increased Catholic contentment with the UK will lead to a decline in tribalism. I do not believe that theory. There is plenty of tension between Whites and Blacks in the USA even though most of both tribes are content to remain in the USA. Nor should we overlook tribalism in Bradford.

I believe that the Northern Ireland Assembly will collapse. The UK government will probably respond by dividing Northern Ireland into tribal zones. I expect the future of Northern Ireland will be in the UK - and it will be a segregated future.
How does tribal zoning of NI work?
 

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I repeat Peter Robinson can't even get elected by enough Unionists in East Belfast and he spouts this bunk about getting Nationalists to vote for Unionism. The guy is deluded.
 

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