Natural monopoly bad, say guys who used to have artificial monopoly

Schuhart

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And, predictably, they are factually wrong
https://www.live95fm.ie/news/ceo-of-limerick-chamber-says-daa-s-monopoly-on-air/

Dr. James Ring is highlighting Dublin Airport's unregulated market domination, which sees it having about 86 percent of the market share, while Shannon Airport has dropped from almost 6 percent to 5.5 percent and is continuing to fall.
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The independent Commission for Aviation Regulation (CAR) is responsible for the regulation of airport charges at Irish airports. Dublin Airport is the only airport currently subject to economic regulation by CAR.
Again, you can sense the hankering after compulsion. Not content with their debt-free relaunch and complete freedom from market regulation, the Shannon lobby clearly wants physical and legal limits placed on Dublin.

That's been tried, and simply wasn't in the national interest.

There's a need for a coherent regional strategy. It doesn't involve crippling the national economy by placing limits on Dublin Airport.

It does require clear thinking and plain statement of facts. This includes Limerick Chamber waking up to the fact that Shannon is no longer the second busiest airport in the State - having been passed out by Cork. And if pipe-dreams of Irish unity become real, they'll drop to fifth as both of Belfast's airports see more passengers.

Limerick Chamber should concentrate on identifying their regional strengths, and building on that. Negative campaigning just isn't a good strategy.
 


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Its by far the busiest airport in the country in by far the most populous county, its perfectly natural that its monopoly is going to be this strong, i dont see it as an issue.
 

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And, predictably, they are factually wrongIn factAgain, you can sense the hankering after compulsion. Not content with their debt-free relaunch and complete freedom from market regulation, the Shannon lobby clearly wants physical and legal limits placed on Dublin.

That's been tried, and simply wasn't in the national interest.

There's a need for a coherent regional strategy. It doesn't involve crippling the national economy by placing limits on Dublin Airport.

It does require clear thinking and plain statement of facts. This includes Limerick Chamber waking up to the fact that Shannon is no longer the second busiest airport in the State - having been passed out by Cork. And if pipe-dreams of Irish unity become real, they'll drop to fifth as both of Belfast's airports see more passengers.

Limerick Chamber should concentrate on identifying their regional strengths, and building on that. Negative campaigning just isn't a good strategy.
You have misunderstood what he said. He wasn't talking about airport charges when he talked about lack of regulation. He was talking about market share. He also didn't mention curtailing Dublin he said Dublin is overheating and needs to cool down and expanding and investing in Cork, Limerick and Galway would help in that. I heard someone, on PK's show on Tuesday, suggest Cork should double it's population to try and counterbalance Dublin.
 

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We should have another airport in Wicklow.
Have you seen the terrain in Wicklow?

If Dublin was ever to look at a second airport, somewhere to the west on the rail line between Dublin and Portarlington would be best. It could easily be connected to the national rail network and it wouldn't be too hard to connect up with the M4 and M7.
 

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He also didn't mention curtailing Dublin
What he says only makes sense as a demand for artificially curtailing traffic at Dublin Airport.

As to the fact that Dublin Airport is subject to economic regulation, that is specifically because of its market share.
http://www.daa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/daa-Annual-Report-2014-1.pdf

Dublin Airport is now more heavily regulated than any other airport in Europe, apart from London Heathrow, which is one of the world’s principal hubs.
The contention of the Shannon lobby is simply wrong, and reflects unrealistic expectations on their part as to what balanced regional development entails.
I heard someone, on PK's show on Tuesday, suggest Cork should double it's population to try and counterbalance Dublin.
That would be a good objective.

What it entails, though, is curtailing the expectations of other regional locations. If Cork is the alternative centre of scale, it means that Limerick, Waterford, Galway, Sligo, Dundalk, Athlone and many other towns (and all rural areas) have to frame realistic ambitions that don't involve similar levels of development - and most likely involve statis or even contraction.
 

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I hear Ryanair wants to build a new airport for Dublin in Holyhead.
 

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30% of the country's population is in the city and county of Dublin. Include the population in the counties bordering the Dublin, the percentage of the national population in the region becomes even greater.
 

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Long term we need an international class airport right at the heart of the Midlands and build a national transport infrastructure around that as the hub. Continuing to tinker with the 19th century transport apparatus and byways in Dublin is fighting a war for mobility that was already lost long ago. Time to raise the bar guys, time to raise our sights and plan now for the 2050s
 

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Long term we need an international class airport right at the heart of the Midlands and build a national transport infrastructure around that as the hub. Continuing to tinker with the 19th century transport apparatus and byways in Dublin is fighting a war for mobility that was already lost long ago. Time to raise the bar guys, time to raise our sights and plan now for the 2050s
Nonsense. The reason Dublin Airport is emerging as a natural monopoly is precisely because it's really easy for most people to get to it. Putting it in Athlone would just incur costs and leave us with an airport that few want to use, just like Shannon. As for 2050, it would be a brave man who predicted that traffic volumes were going to increase substantially in the coming decades.

Incident, Belfast's two airports put it as a strategic disadvantage as each obstructs the other. Ditto for the whole Glasgow, Edinburgh, Prestwick thing in Scotland.

Both Scotland and Northern Ireland would welcome an airport with Dublin's scale. It's only here that people want to damage a strategic national advantage. Strange to relate, there are actually people who's sole motivation seems to be to mutilate Dublin, even if that damages the country as a whole. They would rather people had to emigrate, rather than finding work in Dublin.
 


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