Nazi Germany: The Drug-Fuelled Fascist State led by an addict Führer ....



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Yeah guy who wrote the book re-discovered something that was known in the 50s and went all "OMG" the Nazis were drug fiends.

Jesus, in WW1, they were dishing out cocaine to the troops to get them over the top. Anyway who knows anything at all about active service in a real army is well aware that meth gets the shock troops in so they can stay awake for 48 hours etc.

Yawn.
It's a kinder, gentler form of meth, but yep, still in use today for pilots and sf.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil
 

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It maybe explains how the Germans could emotionally cope with the guilt of committing genocide.

Might also explain the bizarre military decisions from 1943 onwards, like diverting 400,000 soldiers from the Kursk Offensive to Italy, which in any case took 6 months to reach.
 

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Maybe Jewish doctors invented the drugs, so they'd be responsible for the rise of Nazi Germany? Jews were responsible for the Treaty of versailles, which led to the situation that enabled Nazism to rise. The Jewish boycott of germany is also to blame. The Jewish bankers were strangling Germany. Have I missed anything out. Oh hell, maybe just say "It's all the fault of the Jews". That should cover it eh? Or should I try to disguise those outrageous statements by trying to coat them in reason. Make them sound reasonable and plausible and nobody would notice eh? There has to be a reasonable sounding and rational sounding way of blaming Jews eh?
 

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The cartoonisation of the Third Reich continues. Is it any wonder people have problems swallowing the holocaust story when the stuff that gets made up is so ridiculous?
"People" on the whole don't have any problems accepting the overwhelming historical evidence proving the facts of the attempted destruction of European jewry by the Third Reich, the most obvious piece being the otherwise inexplicable absence of millions of Europes Jews, most of them in fact. Only cranks like you, with whatever agenda you have - anti-US, Anti UK, Anti - Israel and anti-West in general, do
 

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We don't take our understanding of the Carthaginians from Roman historians do we? Why should we take our understanding of Hitler from his modern day enemies, the inheritors of his conquerors?

The cartoonisation of the Third Reich continues. Is it any wonder people have problems swallowing the holocaust story when the stuff that gets made up is so ridiculous?

You laymen of the Holocaust religion do the cause no favours. Next week Hitler will be an X-man.
Actually, no Carthaginian history survives, but the one of the main historians of the destruction of Carthage was a Greek named Polybius, held as hostage by the Romans for the good behaviour of his home city. We have a lot of information from Polybius.

Why so defensive? Hitler's health, mental life and predisposition for homeopathic "cures" that made him the willing victim of the quack Morell, have long been a subject for historians, as much as FDR's paralysis, or Churchill's liking for alcohol. I hold the man in utter contempt, but Blitzed is a well researched and serious study.

The Very Drugged Nazis | by Antony Beevor | The New York Review of Books

The book has let to an interesting historical controversy, but you are welcome to take your football and f*ck off home if you think your Fuehrer is too precious to be critiqued.
 

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rasher hash is devastated that being drug addled accounted
for the 'bravery' of his pin up Nazi soldiers!!!!:lol:
 

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Far from being the wholesome paradise of Fascist legend (buxom & rosy-cheeked peasant maidens, manly Hitler Youth in lederhosen on mountain walks, the non-smoking, teetotal & vegetarian Führer taking the mountain air at Berchtesgaden), Nazi Germany was awash with drugs. Drugs were pushed on to Wehrmacht soldiers to enhance battlefield endurance, and two top Nazis (Hermann Goering and Hitler himself) were enslaved by drug addiction as the war progressed.

Hermann Goering's Drug Addiction

Goering was profoundly uneasy about the war, despite his high status as Hitler's right-hand man. As the war progressively worsened Goering took more and more refuge in morphine. Albert Speer in his memoirs describes a high level meeting chaired by Goering, when he appeared with the pupils of his eyes reduced to pin-points. For about an hour he treated the assembled senior Nazis to a long and eloquent (but irrelevant) discourse. Eventually his speech became slurred and his head collapsed on the table as he fell into a deep sleep. One of the his deputies took over the meeting, and the discussion progressed as the Reichsmarshall snored. Goering awoke as the meeting ended, and glared bleary eyed as the attendees left.

Capture by the Allies forced him to go cold turkey, and he recovered enough to turn in a good performance from the dock in Nuremberg. Little it availed him, as he committed suicide to avoid hanging.

The Wehrmacht on Amphetamines

In 1933 the Temmler-Werke company introduced Pervitin, a methamphetamine-based stimulant. The doctor who developed it, Fritz Hauschild, would go on to pioneer East Germany’s sports doping program.

The German Army that invaded France in 1940 advanced with terrific speed (literally!) moving and fighting through the night because each solider was given a tablet of Pervitin on the eve of the assault. It explains also Hitler's halt order when the Wehrmacht reached the coast. Not having slept for two or three nights, the soldiers were overcome with exhaustion. German soldiers called Pervitin "tank chocolate".

The Blitzkrieg tactics that were so successful for the Germans in France, and later early in the Russian campaign, may not have been totally due to superior tactics or good equipment alone, but to chemical stimulants also.

Hitler's Drug Addiction



Hitler was introduced to drugs by his personal physician, a quack names Dr Theo Morell. During the nine years the doctor treated Hitler, he is believed to have given the Führer between 28 and 90 different drugs, including Pervitin, laxatives, anti-gas pills with strychnine in them, morphine derivatives, seminal extract from bulls, body-building supplements, digestives, sedatives, hormones, and many vitamins of mysterious provenance, mostly administered via injection.

One dose of drugs by Morell is reckoned to have given Hitler the eloquence and confidence to persuade Mussolini not to pull Italy out of the war in 1943. It could also explain Hitler's morbid confidence at certain points of the war, such as after the failure to capture Moscow in 1941.

https://newrepublic.com/article/141125/third-reich-addicted-drugs

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=blitzed+norman+ohler&tag=googiehydra-21&index=aps&hvadid=91787598132&hvpos=1t2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17561925383457852783&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=20487&hvtargid=kwd-259694211279&ref=pd_sl_28q54dyldy_e

Blitzed is a best seller in Germany. It was got at least one negative review in the UK, by the leading English historian of the Third Reich Richard J. Evans. Evans was the leading historian who gave evidence against Holocaust Denier David Irving. Who will stand up for Hitler's honour now?
An aspect of the nazi's I am glad to see explored and put in the public eye.
 

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rasher hash is devastated that being drug addled accounted
for the 'bravery' of his pin up Nazi soldiers!!!!:lol:
Lol, they thought you zionazis everything they knew.

At least they were original.
 

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You know this is going to upset the sites holocaust denying, anti Semitic, Hitler admiring neo Nazis no end, don't you - oh I see by your first reply it already has...
It's worth noting that the claims regarding gas chambers appear to have been War Propaganda - on a par with gassing claims made in WWI. Both by forensic evidence following the war & that from British Intelligence at the time suggest this.

The camps became death camps due to typhus outbreaks and towards the end of the war when supply lines were bombed and food ran out.

1. It was initially claimed that people were killed by gassing in Germany.

2. Paul Rassinier, an inmate at Buchenwald, pointed out that wasn't correct.

3. Dr Charles Larson, US Pathologist, noted that there were no cases of deaths by gas in Germany. Larson couldn't inspect the camps in Poland as they were under Soviet Control.

4. From 1960 onwards it has been accepted that the claim about gassing in Germany was false (similarly claims about skin being used for lampshades have also been accepted as completely false).

5. British Intelligence intercepted German communications from 1942 onwards. They noted that in relation to Auschwitz there were never any references to gas. There was however references to death due to typhus outbreaks - which was also a major problem in WWI (3 million died from typhus) and in Germany during WWII.

6. Over 3000 children were safely born in the camp.

7. During the week prisoners of war were employed at labour camps but on Sunday allowed to play football. Games would take place on a field outside the camp with armed German guards watching. The Red Cross provided the teams with four sets of shirts - English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh. Ron Jones was held in E715:

"'There was the humiliation and the lack of food but on the whole life wasn’t too bad.'

'The Germans, contrary to what a lot of people think, were pretty good to us on the whole.'

8. Maria van Herwaarden was in Auschwitz-Birkenau from December 1942 to January 1945. In her time there she saw no evidence of mass murder. People did however die from disease.

9. The admissions from German officiers, such as Auschwitz Commander Hoess, were extracted after days of torture. US Judge van Roden wrote an article about this 'American Atrocities in Germany'. See also, R. Butler, Legions of Death, Hamlyn, (London, 1983), p.237.

10. The Red Cross inspection team visited Auschwitz and other camps during the war.

11. People who have died from cyanide or carbon monoxide poisoning leave pink or cherry-red corpse. That doesn't match the descriptions.

12. Chemical tests of the areas where the homicidal gas chambers are claimed to be reveal no cyanide residue. In contrast, there IS, significant cynanide residue in the delousing rooms (clothes were deloused to stop the outbreak of typhus). It certainly raises questions which many seem reluctant to address.
 

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It's worth noting that the claims regarding gas chambers appear to have been War Propaganda - on a par with gassing claims made in WWI. Both by forensic evidence following the war & that from British Intelligence at the time suggest this.

The camps became death camps due to typhus outbreaks and towards the end of the war when supply lines were bombed and food ran out.

1. It was initially claimed that people were killed by gassing in Germany.

2. Paul Rassinier, an inmate at Buchenwald, pointed out that wasn't correct.

3. Dr Charles Larson, US Pathologist, noted that there were no cases of deaths by gas in Germany. Larson couldn't inspect the camps in Poland as they were under Soviet Control.

4. From 1960 onwards it has been accepted that the claim about gassing in Germany was false (similarly claims about skin being used for lampshades have also been accepted as completely false).

5. British Intelligence intercepted German communications from 1942 onwards. They noted that in relation to Auschwitz there were never any references to gas. There was however references to death due to typhus outbreaks - which was also a major problem in WWI (3 million died from typhus) and in Germany during WWII.

6. Over 3000 children were safely born in the camp.

7. During the week prisoners of war were employed at labour camps but on Sunday allowed to play football. Games would take place on a field outside the camp with armed German guards watching. The Red Cross provided the teams with four sets of shirts - English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh. Ron Jones was held in E715:

"'There was the humiliation and the lack of food but on the whole life wasn’t too bad.'

'The Germans, contrary to what a lot of people think, were pretty good to us on the whole.'

8. Maria van Herwaarden was in Auschwitz-Birkenau from December 1942 to January 1945. In her time there she saw no evidence of mass murder. People did however die from disease.

9. The admissions from German officiers, such as Auschwitz Commander Hoess, were extracted after days of torture. US Judge van Roden wrote an article about this 'American Atrocities in Germany'. See also, R. Butler, Legions of Death, Hamlyn, (London, 1983), p.237.

10. The Red Cross inspection team visited Auschwitz and other camps during the war.

11. People who have died from cyanide or carbon monoxide poisoning leave pink or cherry-red corpse. That doesn't match the descriptions.

12. Chemical tests of the areas where the homicidal gas chambers are claimed to be reveal no cyanide residue. In contrast, there IS, significant cynanide residue in the delousing rooms (clothes were deloused to stop the outbreak of typhus). It certainly raises questions which many seem reluctant to address.
This is just a quick gallop through the latest Holocaust-denying talking points from Stormfront. The usual execrable, genocide-excusing shyte, redolent of anti-intellectual smelly anti-Semitism.

All of these points have been more than refuted in different threads on the site, and in the literature. let anyone who wants to bother look them up.

e.g. The "chemical tests" referred to in 12 were not done by a qualified chemist, but by a self-styled American "execution expert", who was later shown to be an ignoramus when it came testing the chemical residues of cyanide.

The Leuchter Report, which claims to prove that lethal gas chambers did not exist, is pseudo-scientific rubbish

Much the same goes for all the other points. There are good rebuttals of Holocaust denying propaganda here:

Rebutting anti-Semitic propaganda about the Holocaust

Holocaust deniers love expiating about the 1940-45 genocide, because of their nostalgia for the days when Jews could be abused and killed indiscriminately.
 

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Explains why liberals are so big fans of drugs legalization
[video=youtube;fgZ_5LoPo3A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgZ_5LoPo3A[/video]
 

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All of these points have been more than refuted in different threads on the site, and in the literature. let anyone who wants to bother look them up.
Take the first point...

It's worth noting that the claims regarding gas chambers appear to have been War Propaganda - on a par with gassing claims made in WWI. Both by forensic evidence following the war & that from British Intelligence at the time suggest this.
During ww1 British propaganda claimed that the Austrian's were gassing Serb civilians in gas chambers and that they had mass murdered 700,000 in this way.

After the war this and other holocaust type propaganda was dropped like a stone, only for similar nonsense to be resurrected in ww2.

Can you explain why the ww1 propaganda was dropped but the ww2 version is still promoted?
 
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What is novel about Ohler's book is the use of Pervitin, the methamphetamine pill given to German soldiers. It does explain (at lest partially) the German's extraordinarily fast 1940 penetration into France, and the panic & demoralization of the French.

De Gaulle was amazed (and offended) at the way Germans virtually ignored surrendering French soldiers, telling them to throw away their weapons and march to the rear, as they continued to advance.

Pervitin is mentioned also in Tooze's Wages of Destruction, on the German war economy.
Tooze's book is fascinating. He lays out how inefficient and badly managed the Nazi economy was. The attack on Russia was doomed to fail and even if the Nazis had managed to win the war somehow their economy would have collapsed soon after.
 

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Maybe Jewish doctors invented the drugs, so they'd be responsible for the rise of Nazi Germany? Jews were responsible for the Treaty of versailles, which led to the situation that enabled Nazism to rise. The Jewish boycott of germany is also to blame. The Jewish bankers were strangling Germany. Have I missed anything out. Oh hell, maybe just say "It's all the fault of the Jews". That should cover it eh? Or should I try to disguise those outrageous statements by trying to coat them in reason. Make them sound reasonable and plausible and nobody would notice eh? There has to be a reasonable sounding and rational sounding way of blaming Jews eh?

The Japanese invented Pervitin, the Kamikazes used to take it to keep them going too and give them a send off that was heavenly.

Or you can just imagine a sleight and wave your fist in the sky at your imaginary windmill.
 

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Tooze's book is fascinating. He lays out how inefficient and badly managed the Nazi economy was. The attack on Russia was doomed to fail and even if the Nazis had managed to win the war somehow their economy would have collapsed soon after.
My own main takeaway was a bit different - if you took in the mad sweep of Hitler's ideology from the desire for Lebensraum in the East to the his psychopathic anti-Semitism, Nazi strategy was rational and efficient, within its own crackpot assumptions.

Tooze's book is the first I read that makes the different facets of the Nazi's strategy (pre-1939 re-armament, the 1939 attack on Poland, Operation Barbarossa, the subjection and exploitation of slave labour, the integration of the European economy to benefit Nazi Germany, and the genocide of Jews and Slavs) into a coherent whole.

A great book, highly recommended.
 


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