Nazism - Trump orders 260,000 Salvadoreans to leave the USA

owedtojoy

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I can't believe it.

It's Nazi Party politics.

[video=youtube;XvTIQyAJydE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvTIQyAJydE[/video]
I think the Argumentum ad Hitlerum is a bit over-used.

Bit this is a gratuitous attack on an innocent community in the US who have settled, integrated and are employed in productive jobs. They are not the murderers and gangsters Trump portrays.

Trump will pay a price - this may go down well with his extreme right-wing base, who appreciate any tormenting of brown people. But the Republican Party can kiss the Hispanic vote goodbye, and a lot of others too.
 


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What would you expect? He's a racist at heart
Or maybe he wants his fellow American citizens to enjoy living in their own country instead of being swamped and overrun by the demands of millions of foreigners.
 

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H Y P E R B O L O A E ........

They have 18 months to reconcile their status.

And if they are asked to return, they will be presumably richer than if they stayed in El Salvador.

They were in the US, in the first place, as a result of there being a natural disaster.

If showBama did this...would anybody even care...or even notice ?
Are they murderers, gangsters and rapists? And the 150,000 children born legally in the USA? Them, too?

Is Trump really going to send out armed men to hunt them down and drive them out of the country? After putting them in camps or jails first? He will pay a heavy political price.

Most of these have productive jobs, and are contributing to their communities. With the US at full employment, there is no need even to deport them on economic grounds, as they are not a drain on the taxpayer. In fact, they are net contributors.

This is a gratuitous attack on innocent working people by a President who does not even work a full day.

Of course, they are not white enough for you to defend them.
 

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I can't believe it.

It's Nazi Party politics.

[video=youtube;XvTIQyAJydE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvTIQyAJydE[/video]
You think the Nazis were just a bunch of polititions who deported people back home after their visas ran out?
 

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They started getting the boot a year ago. Many have already been deported. I imagine some are ending up sleeping rough on the streets of Dublin - like this chap: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/rough-sleeper-found-dead-on-dublin-street-was-registered-sex-offender-36101826.html
Usually just the serious and/recidivist criminal ones and they were commonly deported before Trump. The person in that link was in Oz, not the US, and a career criminal. Why they took so long to deport him is remarkable given the frequency of his recidivism.

"The Irish Sun is reporting that Watson was deported from Australia in October 2015, after he amassed 40 convictions over 19 years."
 

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Or maybe he wants his fellow American citizens to enjoy living in their own country instead of being swamped and overrun by the demands of millions of foreigners.
The children born in the USA of these immigrants are not foreigners.
 

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So when are all the illegal Irish next to get the boot?
As soon as Trump gets around to it ,I expect. The Irish should have no special rights over other nationalities.
 

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I think the Argumentum ad Hitlerum is a bit over-used.

Bit this is a gratuitous attack on an innocent community in the US who have settled, integrated and are employed in productive jobs. They are not the murderers and gangsters Trump portrays.

Trump will pay a price - this may go down well with his extreme right-wing base, who appreciate any tormenting of brown people. But the Republican Party can kiss the Hispanic vote goodbye, and a lot of others too.
It's often the previous immigrants of the same demographic who most want to see restrictions as incomers tend to compete for the very same jobs and opportunities.
 

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Here's a news-report. Donald Trump takes away right to remain in US from 260,000 Salvadorans | The Independent - "More than half of all Salvadoran immigrants have lived in the US for 20 years or more, according to the Centre for Migration Studies. Ten per cent are married to a legal resident.".

I'm reminded of a time when a Jew told me how, when he was seven, all his family were deported from Germany.
Sorry, I must have missed the bit where Trump pledged to have the illegal Salvadoreans sent to death camps #getoffthebleedinstage
 

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The children born in the USA of these immigrants are not foreigners.
If their parents are illegals they should all get the boot. Splitting up families is never good.
 

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The children born in the USA of these immigrants are not foreigners.
So should the Americans not give any special permits to these people, as this scenario will always happen? Or should they give everyone permanent status on arrival to stop the pain for when they have to return home with their US born children?
Serious question.
 

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If their parents are illegals they should all get the boot. Splitting up families is never good.
Yes, force American citizens out of the country by hook or by crook. That's the moral and ethical thing for the American government to do.

Sigh.
 

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As soon as Trump gets around to it ,I expect. The Irish should have no special rights over other nationalities.
Doubt it beyond the tokens, and usually criminals.

Being white matters. If you're a German blonde haired blue eyed Evangelical family that wants to home school their kids, then that's a cause célèbre for the GOP and its right wing Religious Right base that qualifies as a true oppression compared to...you know, say, fleeing terrorists and such.

US grants home schooling German family political asylum - The Guardian
 

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Doubt it beyond the tokens, and usually criminals.

Being white matters. If you're a German blonde haired blue eyed Evangelical family that wants to home school their kids, then that's a cause célèbre for the GOP and its right wing Religious Right base that qualifies as a true oppression compared to...you know, say, fleeing terrorists and such.

US grants home schooling German family political asylum - The Guardian
Fleeing terrorists and being denied the right to homeschool are both reasons for asylum. The group that could be deported have a right to apply for asylum.
Trying to call them Nazis is pure stupid.
 

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Yes, force American citizens out of the country by hook or by crook. That's the moral and ethical thing for the American government to do.

Sigh.
It is called pragmatism. Bad law is no law. Trump has none of the hang ups we have in Europe about PC policies.
 

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Doubt it beyond the tokens, and usually criminals.

Being white matters. If you're a German blonde haired blue eyed Evangelical family that wants to home school their kids, then that's a cause célèbre for the GOP and its right wing Religious Right base that qualifies as a true oppression compared to...you know, say, fleeing terrorists and such.

US grants home schooling German family political asylum - The Guardian


I take your point, reality versus optics, But that is life and Trump, lunatic or not, is hitting a lot of like buttons.
 

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Or maybe he wants his fellow American citizens to enjoy living in their own country instead of being swamped and overrun by the demands of millions of foreigners.
You mean like those whit European foreigners who robbed the continent from the indigenous people and almost wiped them out in the process :lol:

Of course this stunt has a lot more to do with the sh*te he is in after the publication of Wolf's book - an attempt to rally the rednecks.
 

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So should the Americans not give any special permits to these people, as this scenario will always happen? Or should they give everyone permanent status on arrival to stop the pain for when they have to return home with their US born children?
Serious question.
IMO, baby anchoring shouldn't be permitted as it is under ECHR judicial decisions. The US correctly does not permit baby anchoring.

The US, however, contrived its immigration issues unlike the EU. It wanted the lax enforcement from the 80s until Trump because it wanted millions of cheap labourers and got them. As such they have no honourable reason to do what they're doing here given 20 years of using them as labourers and kicking them out as they age to avoid future pensioner issues and costs for which they've worked and paid taxes in contribution unless otherwise deportable for crimes and whatnot under general laws. 

As a myriad of judicial and statutury doctrines reflect that address bad faith in pursuing claims and remedies, claims and enforcement should be done in an equitable and prompt manner. Fail to do so and you impair or even lose your basis to complain. The US has failed to do so here.
 

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Yes, force American citizens out of the country by hook or by crook. That's the moral and ethical thing for the American government to do.

Sigh.
Trump is not doing this for any ethical or economic reason.

He is just doing it because he can.

Or thinks he can.

He may find the political cost may be unacceptably high, not unless the Republicans want to say goodbye to the Hispanic vote for ever.
 


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