Nearly 1m breath tests reported were not actually carried out ... could we have a new police force?

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Over 14,500 traffic convictions to be quashed after gardaí admit error - Independent.ie


Garda error is being blamed after some 14,700 people were prosecuted without a fixed-charge notice first being issued.

All those convictions must now be appealed and the State has to cover all costs, estimated to run into millions of euro.
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On breath testing stats:

"The gap between the Medical Bureau of Road Safety data of 1,058,157 tests administered and the Garda recorded data of 1,995,369 tests is close to one million and it raises a widespread concern in the way Gardaí go about their daily work. It again raises concerns about management and supervision, echoing findings of the Garda Inspectorate, Judge O’Higgins and others."

The Policing Authority said the scale of the discrepancy is "further evidence of deep cultural problems within the Garda service – a culture in which such behaviour was possible".





That's about half done, and the rest were reported in the full knowledge that the MBRS would tally the real numbers sooner or later.

But as they have jobs for life, and the attitude of ahh-sher-feck-it.
 


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Over 14,500 traffic convictions to be quashed after gardaí admit error - Independent.ie


Garda error is being blamed after some 14,700 people were prosecuted without a fixed-charge notice first being issued.

All those convictions must now be appealed and the State has to cover all costs, estimated to run into millions of euro.
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The discrepancy in the breath-test statistics is unfortunate, but the Gardai are paid to do law-enforcement, not generate statistics.

What is seriously bad is that the AGS apparently secured 14,700 court convictions in improper circumstances.

Heads do have to roll for that.
 

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The discrepancy in the breath-test statistics is unfortunate, but the Gardai are paid to do law-enforcement, not generate statistics.

What is seriously bad is that the AGS apparently secured 14,700 court convictions in improper circumstances.

Heads do have to roll for that.
No doubt Maurice McCabe will be found to blame...problem sorted
 

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Over 14,500 traffic convictions to be quashed after gardaí admit error - Independent.ie


Garda error is being blamed after some 14,700 people were prosecuted without a fixed-charge notice first being issued.

All those convictions must now be appealed and the State has to cover all costs, estimated to run into millions of euro.
......

On breath testing stats:

"The gap between the Medical Bureau of Road Safety data of 1,058,157 tests administered and the Garda recorded data of 1,995,369 tests is close to one million and it raises a widespread concern in the way Gardaí go about their daily work. It again raises concerns about management and supervision, echoing findings of the Garda Inspectorate, Judge O’Higgins and others."

The Policing Authority said the scale of the discrepancy is "further evidence of deep cultural problems within the Garda service – a culture in which such behaviour was possible".





That's about half done, and the rest were reported in the full knowledge that the MBRS would tally the real numbers sooner or later.

But as they have jobs for life, and the attitude of ahh-sher-feck-it.
Disgusting. This kind of ************************e will continue until the offending gardai are fired or severely reprimanded. When the victims of this garda ineptitude/garda targeting of innocent people bring these cases to court, they should also be allowed bring civil proceedings against the gardai who have wrongfully, and likely consciously, targeted these people.
 

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Should they call in the fraud squad ?
Discipline:

Discipline Section is responsible for oversight of all investigations undertaken by An Garda Síochána under the provisions of the Garda Síochána (Discipline) Regulations 2007/2011 (Statutory Instrument Nos. 214 of 2007 and 620 of 2011), which came into effect on 1st June, 2007 and 22nd November, 2011. T

he purpose of these Regulations is to provide a code of conduct for all members of An Garda Síochána, which must be strictly adhered to.

Any suspected breaches may be subject of investigation by Officers appointed pursuant to the Regulations.

The penalties provided under the Regulations include dismissal; reduction in rank; temporary reduction in pay; caution and advice.


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The discrepancy in the breath-test statistics is unfortunate, but the Gardai are paid to do law-enforcement, not generate statistics.

What is seriously bad is that the AGS apparently secured 14,700 court convictions in improper circumstances.

Heads do have to roll for that.
BS. If they are doing their job statistics are generated about their activities. The cop doesn't create a statistic; it's an incidental outcome from the work he or she does and is a vital input into decisions as to where to allocate resources. Today's report is very damning indeed.
 

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The discrepancy in the breath-test statistics is unfortunate, but the Gardai are paid to do law-enforcement, not generate statistics.

What is seriously bad is that the AGS apparently secured 14,700 court convictions in improper circumstances.

Heads do have to roll for that.
look at the fiasco in donegal, look at the withness they had in ian bailey, the withness who rang up in the jo jo dollard case, numbers are numbers, the wors thing that happened in their history was garret the good demanded 200 summons's per gard yearly to help pay for their wages
 

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It's the sign of an honest copper.

The ones you need to worry about are the ones who don't seem to need the overtime
either way it dont matter, we need the cops who cleaned up n.y.c. back, with an apology, then asking please please
 

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... innocent people ... should also be allowed bring civil proceedings against the gardai who have wrongfully, and likely consciously, targeted (them)
You've hit the nail right on the head.

That's what people should be shouting about.
 

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It's the sign of an honest copper.

The ones you need to worry about are the ones who don't seem to need the overtime
'Honest coppers' reported conducting one million breath tests that weren't actually carried out?

That's fraudulent behaviour and gross dereliction of duty at the very least. There's not another job in the world that would tolerate this kind of nonsense. Not filing one piece of work in most jobs when you said you did is an offense that could see you sacked.

You seem to think it's a jolly good show though. Maybe you revel in ineptitude, lies, deceit and fraud?
 

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Why was it done though ... was it to inflate overtime with imaginary work?
Exactly...as in many cases of organised incompetence you have to follow the money.

On the invalid prosecutions...I suspect many solicitors licking their already fat lips at the prospect of the appeals work ahead.

This guys are cowboys.
 

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Over 14,500 traffic convictions to be quashed after gardaí admit error - Independent.ie


Garda error is being blamed after some 14,700 people were prosecuted without a fixed-charge notice first being issued.

All those convictions must now be appealed and the State has to cover all costs, estimated to run into millions of euro.
......

On breath testing stats:

"The gap between the Medical Bureau of Road Safety data of 1,058,157 tests administered and the Garda recorded data of 1,995,369 tests is close to one million and it raises a widespread concern in the way Gardaí go about their daily work. It again raises concerns about management and supervision, echoing findings of the Garda Inspectorate, Judge O’Higgins and others."

The Policing Authority said the scale of the discrepancy is "further evidence of deep cultural problems within the Garda service – a culture in which such behaviour was possible".





That's about half done, and the rest were reported in the full knowledge that the MBRS would tally the real numbers sooner or later.

But as they have jobs for life, and the attitude of ahh-sher-feck-it.
Unaccountably is a major factor in our Public and Civil service. Nothing will ever change in this flawed State until we see people facing consequences for failure.
 

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Is this stuff done by commission, or by omission?

A police force with ever decreasing credibility. At least the Keystone Cops were an act.
 

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Unaccountably is a major factor in our Public and Civil service. Nothing will ever change in this flawed State until we see people facing consequences for failure.
Gooble, gooble, gooble - turkeys voting for Christmas...imagine if the politicians made civil and public servantys accountable, some brightspark may think politicians should be accountable....and where would that get us???

We pay first world tax so third world politicians can carve out a better living they could get in any commercial sector and surrounding themselves with unaccountable lackeys is their strategy.
 

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'Honest coppers' reported conducting one million breath tests that weren't actually carried out?

That's fraudulent behaviour and gross dereliction of duty at the very least. There's not another job in the world that would tolerate this kind of nonsense. Not filing one piece of work in most jobs when you said you did is an offense that could see you sacked.

You seem to think it's a jolly good show though. Maybe you revel in ineptitude, lies, deceit and fraud?
You have to accept it as a part of the workplace-culture.

There has to be a bit of give-and-take in every job.

"You seem to think it's a jolly good show though. Maybe you revel in ineptitude, lies, deceit and fraud?".
I was taught it about 50 years ago, when I had a job checking figures.

If people were risking their jobs to fiddle a bit more overtime it was an indication that they weren't taking back-handers.

The ones you should be watching were those doing a rottenly-paid job and apparently coping well on it without ever looking for a bit of extra pay.
 

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Sigh.

They certainly need shaking up those lads.

I shall accept the position as their new Garda Commissioner since the current one is clearly not able.

My terms.

Modest salary. I am not greedy. €120k will suffice (current one gets €180k, a lot for shíte).

Citizenship of course.

A seat in the Seanad for when I step down.

My own column in the Irish Times when I step down.

Regular guest appearances on RTÉ with appropriately fawning presenters.

Sean Gallagher and Ryan Tubridy to be locked in a cell with me for 4 hours.

Lunch with Joan Burton.

Freedom of the City of Cork.
 


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