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Netanyahu is increasingly isolated and the veneer of unity is gone - military & intelligence in open revolt

cyberianpan

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Netanyahu is increasingly isolated and the veneer of unity is gone - military & intelligence in open revolt

Netanyahu has long since run out of allies
The Intelligence and Defense communities have long since frustrated his orders

...but this latest issue lays very bare the above issues...I don't see how Israel can muddle on...either Netanyahu imposes martial law...or gets it imposed on him

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The deputy chief of staff, Maj. Gen. Yair Golan, chose one of the most sensitive dates on the Israeli calendar, Holocaust Memorial Eve, to react: He suggested that Israel today in some ways resembles Germany in the 1930s.

Mr. Netanyahu countered that General Golan’s words do Israel an injustice and “cheapen the Holocaust.” His defense minister, Moshe Yaalon, a former chief of staff and a member of Mr. Netanyahu’s party, backed the army.
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Israeli Defense Minister Resigns as Netanyahu Talks to Lieberman - WSJ
Mr. Ya’alon, a member of Mr. Netanyahu’s conservative Likud Party, said in a Facebook post Friday that he decided to step down after the prime minister moved this past week to negotiate with the ultranationalist lawmaker Avigdor Lieberman, reportedly offering him the defense ministry.
Lieberman, Mossad Chief Meet in Bid to End Row - Haaretz
About a week ago Lieberman ordered the foreign ministry to boycott the Mossad, to stop sharing information and to refrain from inviting Mossad officials to discussions and meetings.
Putin Lauds Expat Lieberman's 'Brilliant Political Career' in Israel - Haaretz - Israel News Haaretz.com
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin praised Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on Friday for his rise to a senior cabinet position in Israel after having emigrated from the former Soviet Union.
Netanyahu’s Dark Choice - The New Yorker
Lieberman, who emigrated in 1978, lives in the West Bank settlement of Nokdim. He admires Vladimir Putin. He is so given to outrageous statements about Arabs that foreign reporters are rarely allowed to talk to him.

Political insiders in Israel know that Netanyahu and Lieberman distrust each other
Cyp
 


Prester Jim

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He's fine as long as IS are around
I don't think IS are any threat to Israel, completely different level of military capability and professionalism.
Netanyahu being in trouble is a good sign, I was genuinely becoming worried that Israel was going off the deep end completely with the rogues gallery he brought with him.
 

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The likes of Netanyahu make it difficult for many, many people to support Israel. I support Israel's right to exist and to defend itself, but not in that fooker's way.
 

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That is all that Washington needs right now. A lunatic like Lieberman whispering ideas into the lunatic Netanyahu's head.

With all the descriptions of arab leaders down the years as lunatics it would be a sore irony if Israel went completely off the deep end with those two wrestling for the steering wheel.

It isn't so long ago that Netanyahu was demanding that the Americans give him the codes for a safe-fly zone so the Israeli airforce could hit targets inside Iran- for which they would also have had to overfly Turkish airspace.

Lieberman makes Netanyahu look like a hippy.
 

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It seems that as a condition to entering Netanyahu's coalition Lieberman's Party is demanding the death sentence for 'terrorists who murder', but only if they're not Jewish terrorists.

BDS membership will explode with this guy around :roll:

Likud Source: Israeli Death Penalty for Terrorists Won
 

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It won't be long before Israel's new defence minister is in the headlines. I suppose if anything it might actually make it easier for Washington to start increasing the distance between themselves and Jerusalem if Lieberman is foaming away like a rabid dog in the middle east.

Netanyahu seems to be doing everything he can to cling on to power- but he may come to regret the necessary pact with that particular fellow. It may give Washington an opening to step back from Israel altogether and AIPAC may not be able to do much about it if Joe Public in the US gets the slightest whiff of the mentality of Lieberman.
 

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Israeli politics is all smoke and mirrors. This blog by Marc Goldberg about covers the Liberman in Hertzog out fandango of the past few weeks:-

The plague on Israel's house | Marc Goldberg | The Blogs | The Times of Israel

Whether you’re a die-hard Likudnik or Israel Beiteinu or HaBayit HaYehudi, you’re not going to get any of the policies you voted for. In fact, government sources have already rushed to say that the two-state solution is still on the table.

Which is bizarre — because it may be on the table, but it isn’t in any Likud document you’ll find.

In order to get into government, Liberman had to drop just about every core principle his party has. And now that Likud, together with Naphtali Bennett’s Jewish Home Party, are firmly in charge you might think that there will be moves to annex the West Bank in accordance with what their core values are. But they won’t.
And this highlights the weakness of the Israeli governmental system. No matter who you vote for or who takes charge, you’ll be confronted with the same kind of laissez-faire politics, the same atrophied system of politicians making large pronouncements while doing very little. Thereby disappointing everyone.
 

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Perhaps there are parallels with Portugal in 1975 where the army eventually revolted against a stupid colonial war by the former Estado Novo regime. You can't call yourself a"Jewish and democratic state" while occupying Arab majority lands that would eventually outnumber Jews, and disefranchising the Arabs living there. That's a Zionist Apartheid state.
 

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He's fine as long as IS are around
IS have only proved "successful" against unarmed civilians and demoralized Iraqi puppet soldiers.

Put up a determined resistance - the underfunded, underequipped Peshmerga, for example - and their fanatacism doesn't back up their mediocre battle tactics.

Israel shifted sharply to the right despite the fact that until the rise of ISIS, there was no immediate danger to Israel.

What did that reflect? Well, the Iraqi conquest, something the right in Israel celebrated, turned into a nightmare for them. By hawking for more war they only served to destablize Iraq and hand it to Iran.

Not learning their lesson, Israel continues to beat its chest while signing accords with Saudi Arabia.

I guess Israel's powerplayers seem to be catching on. Finally.

Netanyahu makes Hezbollah look positively non-belligerent.
 

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Quite curious in a way that the US has been caught out in arming apparent allies in the shape of the Mujahideen against the Soviets in Aghanistan and cosying up to Saddam when it suited them in powerplays in the middle east and yet it never seems to occur to them that the ultimate screw-up may be the viper that they have been covering for most of all- Israel.

And they definitely have weapons of mass destruction. All it takes is one nutter in Israel (and they have a few including Lieberman and the increasingly foamy Netanyahu) and US policy in the middle east could rebound on them yet again and in a very big way.
 


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