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New crackdown on welfare fraud through use of facial recognition software


bluefirelog

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The Irish Examiner has an interesting article today on the introduction of facial recognition software by the Department of Social Welfare. Apparently they will be rolling out facial recognition software in all their offices from January as part of identity management and a crackdown on welfare fraud.

Any new claims will have a photo associated with them and the software will be able to detect whether the same image is already in use elsewhere in the system. Apparently, they will be able to cross check against driving licenses and passports.

Troubled Facebook software to tackle dole fraud | Irish Examiner

People might recall this case in 2011
The fraud, developed over a number of years, involved making claims for
jobseeker’s allowance, disability allowance and supplementary welfare allowance
in the names of different identities, mainly members of his family.

The fraud came to light when staff at the Passport Office received an
application from Canberra, Australia, for a passport in the name of his younger
brother.
Nine-year sentence for social welfare fraud - The Irish Times - Mon, Mar 12, 2012
http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/183894-nine-years-jail-1-suspended-249000-social-welfare-fraud-about-right.html

It seems to me that the introduction of this new software feature is both simple and sensible.

Do you think this is a good move?
 


neiphin

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its all bluff
these clowns in government havent the mental capacity to do this
its about given the appearance of doing something

i wonder which td's cousins son's company will get the contract ?
maybe hbap, hes good on the computer
 

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I wonder how it will work with identical twins?

Also, people's apparances change over time. The average passport is for 10 years. If this system has a similar policy on holding photographs, there could be some problems.
 

ruserious

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its all bluff
these clowns in government havent the mental capacity to do this
its about given the appearance of doing something

i wonder which td's cousins son's company will get the contract ?
maybe hbap, hes good on the computer
Even better at punctuation...
 

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I wonder how it will work with identical twins?

Also, people's apparances change over time. The average passport is for 10 years. If this system has a similar policy on holding photographs, there could be some problems.
Bio metrics Bitches - that's where it's at. Finger prints, retinal scans, bollock examinations etc.
 

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How will this cut down on people who are committing fraud by failing to declare their true means? How will it cut down on error by staff who are working in the Dept itself? How will it cut down on sw fraud which can be attributed to people working and claiming? How will it cut down on fraud based on their failure to declare that they are cohabiting? Are they also planning to install the facial recognition software in each and every post-office?
 

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What if you are two-faced?
Then you are likely to have excelled in Irish society and have risen to the top of the political elite and therefore unneeding of welfare. Tis true what they say; it's not just cream that rises to the top.
 

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What if you are two-faced?
What if, when you have your photo taken, you're sh1t faced? The scanner wouldn't recognise you. Would you then then have egg on your face?

Would you face down the welfare officers or would you turn the other cheek?
 

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How will this cut down on people who are committing fraud by failing to declare their true means? How will it cut down on error by staff who are working in the Dept itself? How will it cut down on sw fraud which can be attributed to people working and claiming? How will it cut down on fraud based on their failure to declare that they are cohabiting? Are they also planning to install the facial recognition software in each and every post-office?
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step...
 

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If it's the same software facebook uses, then most people will understand how it works. It shows you photographs and asks you to confirm if it is the person in question. Presumably this is where the social welfare officer steps in. If they see that there is a person who to them also looks similar, but has a different identity, presumably they get it checked out...
 

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If it's the same software facebook uses, then most people will understand how it works. It shows you photographs and asks you to confirm if it is the person in question. Presumably this is where the social welfare officer steps in. If they see that there is a person who to them also looks similar, but has a different identity, presumably they get it checked out...

Gone from fb now due to privacy issues but I believe even more advanced technology is coming out of Israel which can connect the facial recognition to cctv and look out for people on the run.
 

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Gone from fb now due to privacy issues but I believe even more advanced technology is coming out of Israel which can connect the facial recognition to cctv and look out for people on the run.
As they run?
 

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A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step...
True, but you also need to understand the true nature of sw fraud. In reality, how much of sw fraud can be directly attributed to people having being found to have made multiple claims, having double identities, or having collected payments on behalf of another?
 

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I wonder how it will work with identical twins?

Also, people's apparances change over time. The average passport is for 10 years. If this system has a similar policy on holding photographs, there could be some problems.
Good point. The answer is retina recognition imaging.
 

bluefirelog

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True, but you also need to understand the true nature of sw fraud. In reality, how much of sw fraud can be directly attributed to people having being found to have made multiple claims, having double identities, or having collected payments on behalf of another?
Take the case I quoted in the Op as an example where an individual fraudulently claimed quarter of a million. No-one knows the extent of the fraud but would you rather nothing is done because tackling identity fraud won't solve every issue?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0312/1224313148977.html
 

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Bio metrics Bitches - that's where it's at. Finger prints, retinal scans, bollock examinations etc.
According to the Electronic privacy act, the facial recognition system accuracy rate is only 61.4, this is being enhanced by biometric facial
Recognition such as surface texture analysis.
 

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