New data protection laws bad for the parish pump

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I see that the excellent news that data protection laws are likely to get in the way of parish-pump populism is being reported as bad news for ... emmm ... the parish-pump politicians.

TDs fear new data protection rules will hamper constituency work -- Irish Times

Personally, if I were still living in Ireland, I would have less problem with Unilever (for example) having my personal details on file than my local Fianna Fáil Cumann (or any other political party for that matter).

Excessive access by politicians to the personal data belonging to their constituents is one of the major factors enabling the playacting that passes for political campaigning in Ireland.
 


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Toland it is not parish pump populism....it...*giggle*....is...*giggle*...constituency work.
 

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I see that the excellent news that data protection laws are likely to get in the way of parish-pump populism is being reported as bad news for ... emmm ... the parish-pump politicians.

TDs fear new data protection rules will hamper constituency work -- Irish Times

Personally, if I were still living in Ireland, I would have less problem with Unilever (for example) having my personal details on file than my local Fianna Fáil Cumann (or any other political party for that matter).

Excessive access by politicians to the personal data belonging to their constituents is one of the major factors enabling the playacting that passes for political campaigning in Ireland.
the marked register records the names and address of those who have voted and those who have not.
Can anybody see a problem with that, esp. in the smaller polling areas?

It may be possible to know how somebody voted... or didn't vote.
 

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Can anybody see a problem with that, esp. in the smaller polling areas?

It may be possible to know how somebody voted... or didn't vote.
Marked register is presumably the list which gets "marked" by the polling officer when you attend the polling station to vote?

I guess part of the presumption might include - are the "unmarked" names listed on the register accurate? For those "unmarked" entries is the master data accurate? The address will probably be correct, but is the occupant master data correct for every single address?
 

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Can anybody see a problem with that, esp. in the smaller polling areas?

It may be possible to know how somebody voted... or didn't vote.
It's always possible to know whether someone voted or not, and in many cases one can come to fairly solid conclusions on how they voted, especially when combined with doorstep information carefully collected by canvassers and/or people assigned to giving likely voters lifts to the polling stations.

And not just in smaller polling areas either. An experienced wielder of their local marked register can usually make an educated guess at the votes of almost everyone on that register.
 
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Marked register is presumably the list which gets "marked" by the polling officer when you attend the polling station to vote?

I guess part of the presumption might include - are the "unmarked" names listed on the register accurate? For those "unmarked" entries is the master data accurate? The address will probably be correct, but is the occupant master data correct for every single address?
If the electoral register is anything like it was when I last looked at it in the 1980s it's hopelessly inaccurate. Students living away from home routinely registered twice, dead people remained on the register, sometimes for decades, parents and children with the same forenames were treated as duplicates or two separate people almost randomly, emigrants who'd been away for years got their parents to ensure that their names remained on the list, etc., etc.

Becoming Pat O'Connor Pat O'Connor was thus easier than falling off a log. And children were regularly deprived of their franchise accidentally by their parents, and vice versa.
 

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If the electoral register is anything like it was when I last looked at it in the 1980s it's hopelessly inaccurate. Students living away from home routinely registered twice, dead people stayed on the register sometimes for decades, parents and children with the same forenames were treated as duplicates or two separate people almost randomly, etc. etc.

Becoming Pat O'Connor Pat O'Connor was easier than falling off a log. And children were regularly deprived of their franchise accidentally by their parents, and vice versa.
I agree as it happens.

But let's be clear here. Data Protection is essentially ensuring the custody and protection of data so that it is not used for the any other purpose than the purpose it was intended.

Put simply an employee gives me their name, address, PPS number and their date of birth.
I am required to ensure that this information remains confidential, and that I have documented processes and procedure to ensure that the data record concerning that employee remains confidential, and that any communication of this employees information can be legally justified. Therefore under the data protection act, I cannot for example supply this confidential information to a third party such as a marketing company, but I can communicate this confidential information to the (Income) Tax Office.

So data protection boils down to how sensitive/confidential information is securely retained, and if required, how/why this information is transferred to a third party.

One essential issue here is that for information to be of benefit, the master data needs to be accurate.

Like you say the election rolls probably contain a large proportion of information which is not accurate.
 

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after my brother got married a letter came to our house

it was from Michael Healy Rae

"Congratulations .. if there's anything i can do for you .. "

how did he know my brother got married ?

who gave him our address ?
 

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But but, he fixed the pothole....
Ah sure didn't he go to me grandfather's funeral back in '47 and he called to the house and ate and drank like a lord, god bless him, and his wife is a lovely woman, big in the ICA, bakes lovely scones!

It's always possible to know whether someone voted or not, and in many cases one can come to fairly solid conclusions on how they voted, especially when combined with doorstep information carefully collected by canvassers and/or people assigned to giving likely voters lifts to the polling stations.

And not just in smaller polling areas either. An experienced wielder of their local marked register can usually make an educated guess at the votes of almost everyone on that register.
Travellers who were robbing old people by fixing their roofs and doing their driveways etc were found to be amassing similar information in countless notebooks where huge swathes of the UK were detailed down to street level and house numbers where the owners of the house were described as elderly/sick/spastic/mental/senile etc etc in order for the traveller criminals to call only on those where they had better chances of making a killing!
 

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after my brother got married a letter came to our house

it was from Michael Healy Rae

"Congratulations .. if there's anything i can do for you .. "

how did he know my brother got married ?

who gave him our address ?
he is not a friend of ours

we've never met him
 

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after my brother got married a letter came to our house

it was from Michael Healy Rae

"Congratulations .. if there's anything i can do for you .. "

how did he know my brother got married ?

who gave him our address ?
Registration of marriage
A couple getting married are required to give notification in person of their intention to marry to a Registrar at least 3 months before the intended date of the marriage.
Registrars of Births, Marriages and Deaths
 

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OK, but where is the register and how would one, like the Healy Rea's, access it?
suppose someone in our family was killed by a drunk driver .. would Healy Rae letter us then ?

i think politicians trying to force themselves on people is vile
 

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I see that the excellent news that data protection laws are likely to get in the way of parish-pump populism is being reported as bad news for ... emmm ... the parish-pump politicians.

TDs fear new data protection rules will hamper constituency work -- Irish Times

Personally, if I were still living in Ireland, I would have less problem with Unilever (for example) having my personal details on file than my local Fianna Fáil Cumann (or any other political party for that matter).

Excessive access by politicians to the personal data belonging to their constituents is one of the major factors enabling the playacting that passes for political campaigning in Ireland.
What's the most important thing about laws?

Their enforcement, how many months passed between Garda being told to target troublesome TD's, the false arrest of one "drunk" TD the alleged infraction of another td's use of a phone and the use of such information by the then Minister to the months after where the illegality of those actions, in what turned out to be fake news, had to be dragged out from the "regulator".


They new rules will either be circumvented or ignored entirely.
 

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From the article:

"There is also concern among some Oireachtas members that the use of the so-called marked register could be restricted when the new laws are in place."

If that's not good news then I don't know what is.
"TDs and Senators are worried they will no longer be allowed keep personal information on their constituents "

read that again and let it sink in

TDs and Senators are worried.. they will no longer be allowed keep personal information.. on their constituents
 


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