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new divorce referendum 2017?

artfoley56

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Josepha Madigan, she who unseated shatter in the recent election, has brought a private members bill seeking to cut the waiting time for a divorce from 4 years to 2. it's a long overdue revisiting of the divorce laws in this country given that we have a 2 stage, in most cases, process; most couples apply for a judicial separation after 1 year to seek the reliefs and then apply for a divorce when the 4 years is up.

this generally creates a lot of stress, legal fees and rancour. the bill would reduce a lot of this with the added bonuses of freeing up court time, reducing stress and rancour and also reducing the waiting times for legal aid and also free up badly needed legal aid monies. so its a win win all around.

the interesting question is why this isn't a government proposal rather than a private members bill. I see the journal is trying to spin it that enda is very much for this but if he is why isn't it a govt bill ?
 


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The push now by the usual vociferous and unrepresentative small minority is for no fault divorce and abortion on demand.

The push for no fault divorce was certainly predicted during the referendum to allow divorce.


Basically those heavily involved in promoting the culture of death wish to destroy entirely all concepts of the family based on marriage and all rights to life.
 

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Another divorce referendum?

#Drexit

:)
 

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I was also surprised that it wasn't a Government sponsored bill. When Madigan was being interviewed about her PMB she wasn't asked about this. No surprise there.

Anyway, surely this (if accepted) will be an amendment to the Principal Act, and needs no further Constitutional involvement.
 

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The next thing will be...

Gay Divorce is only a matter of time. Don't say I didn't warn you..
 
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I'd say you'd need an electron microscope to detect the public (never mind political) demand for this.
 

Vega1447

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I'd say you'd need an electron microscope to detect the public (never mind political) demand for this.
Surely gays trapped in an unhappy same sex marriage would be pleased?

I'll get my hat..
 

artfoley56

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The push now by the usual vociferous and unrepresentative small minority is for no fault divorce and abortion on demand.

The push for no fault divorce was certainly predicted during the referendum to allow divorce.


Basically those heavily involved in promoting the culture of death wish to destroy entirely all concepts of the family based on marriage and all rights to life.
we already have no fault divorce (with the exception of gross and obvious)
 

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it would be good for the economy, more divorces, more lawyer fees more weddings ..kerching!
 

artfoley56

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I was also surprised that it wasn't a Government sponsored bill. When Madigan was being interviewed about her PMB she wasn't asked about this. No surprise there.

Anyway, surely this (if accepted) will be an amendment to the Principal Act, and needs no further Constitutional involvement.
will need a constitutional referendum

article 41 provides


A Court designated by law may grant a dissolution of marriage where, but only where, it is satisfied that ­

i. at the date of the institution of the proceedings, the spouses have lived apart from one another for a period of, or periods amounting to, at least four years during the five years,

ii. there is no reasonable prospect of a reconciliation between the spouses,
 

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if fairness , people can get around the 4 years, the only couple I know that got divorced here did so in under a year, they just agreed that the marriage had broken down 3 years prior even though they were still living together
 

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I will be voting NO if there is another divorce Referendum, the existing 4 year separation period is fine. Also very liberal divorce laws in America have lead to very high divorce rates.

Hardly surprising that the person sponsoring the bill specialises in family law.
 

artfoley56

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I will be voting NO if there is another divorce Referendum, the existing 4 year separation period is fine. Also very liberal divorce laws in America have lead to very high divorce rates.

Hardly surprising that the person sponsoring the bill specialises in family law.
While you may doubt her motives, her bill is designed to make sure that people only have to go through 1 set of proceedings, rather than 2 as most do at present. I'd imagine that if this is passed that the govt will do away with judicial separation to a large extent thus reducing the numbers of sets of proceedings and also reducing the costs.

the number of applications for judicial separations is roughly the same as divorces year on year so it should lead to the above if passed
 

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I will be voting NO if there is another divorce Referendum, the existing 4 year separation period is fine. Also very liberal divorce laws in America have lead to very high divorce rates.

Hardly surprising that the person sponsoring the bill specialises in family law.
What's your problem with high divorce rates?
 

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if fairness , people can get around the 4 years, the only couple I know that got divorced here did so in under a year, they just agreed that the marriage had broken down 3 years prior even though they were still living together
That assumes both parties agreeing to the divorce
 

Calvin J. Hamilton

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If it passes we might have our politicians comming out lauding Ireland as the divorce capital of the world and a beacon of progressiveness.

Maybe an interview with a couple who were married for 20 mins who say '' it wasnt working out, but we are best friends now''.

If abortion passes we might have Enda saying ''Everyone loves the Irish, we are a beacon for abortion, even women who werent pregnant are having abortions and even some Irish men are having abortions too, arent we modern and mature''
 

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At a rate of 0.6 out of 1,000 marriages the predicted floodgates did not open,
where are you getting that number from? there is no way that near covers separations or other breakdowns.
 

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will need a constitutional referendum

article 41 provides


A Court designated by law may grant a dissolution of marriage where, but only where, it is satisfied that ­

i. at the date of the institution of the proceedings, the spouses have lived apart from one another for a period of, or periods amounting to, at least four years during the five years,

ii. there is no reasonable prospect of a reconciliation between the spouses,
Well thanks a bunch for that depressing confirmation of my innocence WRT constitutional amendments.... petunia

It's like deja vu, Abortion and Divorce on the constitutional horizon once more.

Time to go on me holliers, and hope it's all sorted by the time I get back.
 

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