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New EU Constituencies: Brutal battles expected?


fgrep

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According to yesterdays Irish Independent there will be a carve up of current EU constituencies as Ireland loses one MEP.
'Ireland is expected to lose a European Parliament seat next year, dropping from 12 to 11 MEPs, as a result of new rules and the expansion of the EU.

The likely outcome of a necessary redraw would be the existing Ireland East constituency of Leinster being split between Ireland North and West, already covering Connacht, Ulster and parts of Leinster ( 4 seats)and Munster and Ireland South, made up of most of Munster. ( 4 Seats)' ( Dublin remaining unchanged - 3 Seats)

This likely redraw will almost certainly see a Sinn Fein seat as well as the mother of all battles between McGuinness and Jim Higgins.

In the South Crowley and Aylward will be up against each other.

Labour could be the big losers.

McGuinness may have to go west for votes in EU election shake-up - Independent.ie
 

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According to yesterdays Irish Independent there will be a carve up of current EU constituencies as Ireland loses one MEP.
'Ireland is expected to lose a European Parliament seat next year, dropping from 12 to 11 MEPs,
we've already lost everything as a once sovereign nation , I would hope politicians will boycott the EU elections now and forever.

Anybody who goes up for the Parliament are in it for themselves because they certainly have no impact on what happens in Ireland , we are completely insignificant with one of the smallest voting weights in europe , they are merely observers there to observe proceedings and take part in the wining and dining with their "imaginery" friends they talk about so much.
 
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Ryan Tubbs

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According to yesterdays Irish Independent there will be a carve up of current EU constituencies as Ireland loses one MEP.
'Ireland is expected to lose a European Parliament seat next year, dropping from 12 to 11 MEPs, as a result of new rules and the expansion of the EU.

The likely outcome of a necessary redraw would be the existing Ireland East constituency of Leinster being split between Ireland North and West, already covering Connacht, Ulster and parts of Leinster ( 4 seats)and Munster and Ireland South, made up of most of Munster. ( 4 Seats)' ( Dublin remaining unchanged - 3 Seats)

This likely redraw will almost certainly see a Sinn Fein seat as well as the mother of all battles between McGuinness and Jim Higgins.

In the South Crowley and Aylward will be up against each other.

Labour could be the big losers.

McGuinness may have to go west for votes in EU election shake-up - Independent.ie
With the prospect of having such farcically large constituencies, the Government will have to consider a national list system along the lines of those operated in many European countries.
 

livingstone

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Labour will struggle - you'd imagine that both Childers and Prendergast will both be in the new Munster/South Leinster constituency (with no real hope of taking two out of four, with not much prospect of a Labour seat in the Connaught/Ulster/North Leinster constituency.

The other side, though, is that Labour could well have lost one out of three in both Munster and Leinster - whereas there's a much better shot of holding at least one seat in a four seater.
 

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With the prospect of having such farcically large constituencies, the Government will have to consider a national list system along the lines of those operated in many European countries.
That might be a good idea, with replacements drawn from eliminated candidates rather than party hacks?
 

Ryan Tubbs

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That might be a good idea, with replacements drawn from eliminated candidates rather than party hacks?
Well no, they would be replaced by the next candidate on the party list. Which would effectively be the same system as presently.

And they're not "party hacks", they are part of a replacement list which is endorsed by voters at the European election itself.
 

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And they're not "party hacks", they are part of a replacement list which is endorsed by voters at the European election itself.
Do you think that anyone looks at the replacement list? At least those among the eliminated candidates have been voted for in their own right.
To be honest, I don't really care one way or the other
 

Ryan Tubbs

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Do you think that anyone looks at the replacement list?
If the voters don't bother to check who it is they're voting for, then whose fault is that?

The "replacement list" feature in our elections was introduced, I'm guessing, because it introduced an element of the system being used in other EU countries into our own system of MEP elections, which seems fair enough.
 

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That might be a good idea, with replacements drawn from eliminated candidates rather than party hacks?
In the event of vacancy occuring mid-term in a constituency, list systems work on the basis that, since votes are cast on a per party basis (not a per candidate basis), the next person selected on the party's list - be it an open or closed list - gets to fill the vacancy.

That is in effect what the Oireachtas introduced with the replacement list system that we now use. Of course, they could just have gone all the way and introduced either an open or closed list for the European elections but that would be too radical for them.
 

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So Marian Harkin is finished then? no loss really
 

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With the prospect of having such farcically large constituencies, the Government will have to consider a national list system along the lines of those operated in many European countries.
Good point.

Any sign that they are?

No, I thought not......
 

Ryan Tubbs

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Of course, they could just have gone all the way and introduced either an open or closed list for the European elections but that would be too radical for them.
This may force all parties to go for a list, because running campaigns in such massive constituencies will become logistically impossible for individual candidates.
 

Ryan Tubbs

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So Marian Harkin is finished then? no loss really
She'd be under severe pressure, particularly if Ganley runs. Realistically though it's impossible to say how such vast constituencies would pan out, other than to say that McGuinness is the only "safe" seat in the country, based on her massive votes in 04 and 09 which would certainly cross into Connaught if she had to.
 

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Errr, this story hit the headlines for the first time last Sunday. What were you expecting?
Err, we have had the replacement list for a while, but no sign of any discussion/debate on EU election methods at all in that time.

My point.
 

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In the South Crowley and Aylward will be up against each other.
Oh noes! Unless this state has BOTH Crowley A?ND Aylward fighting our corner in Brussels and sometimes Strasbourg then we are surely all DOOMED.
 

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With the prospect of having such farcically large constituencies, the Government will have to consider a national list system along the lines of those operated in many European countries.
This is an excellent suggestion as it would reduce the local element of the election and therefore the debate may become more about European issues.
 

Ryan Tubbs

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This is an excellent suggestion as it would reduce the local element of the election and therefore the debate may become more about European issues.
Not while the election is held on the same day as the Local Elections, unfortunately.
 

sauntersplash

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we've already lost everything as a once sovereign nation , I would hope politicians will boycott the EU elections now and forever.

Anybody who goes up for the Parliament are in it for themselves because they certainly have no impact on what happens in Ireland , we are completely insignificant with one of the smallest voting weights in europe , they are merely observers there to observe proceedings and take part in the wining and dining with their "imaginery" friends they talk about so much.
You'd do well to remember the state that sovereignty got us into. Excuse the pun.
 
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