New Evidence - Marikana Massacre was Planned by South African Police

making waves

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2010
Messages
19,300
Startling new evidence was revealed last week that the South African Police planned the massacre of 34 mine workers at Marikana in Rustenberg on 16 August 2012. 112 mine workers were also injured during the shooting spree by SA Police. Police officers have also admitted that the police shot dead miners who had been 'captured'

Constable Itumeleng Ntsileng stated that the police officers at the massacre had been hyped up before the massacre by claims from superior officers that the mine workers present had been responsible for two police officers being hacked to death a few days before.

Ntsileng told City Press in South Africa how at least one of their colleagues and others from the police’s special task force shot striking mine workers in Marikana on August 16 2012 who had surrendered and were begging for their lives. another police officer has stated that several miners were shot in the legs to incapacitate them and then 'finished off' by shooting them in the head.

Constable Lesego claims that police officers were ordered to 'finish off' the mine workers by superior officers. Lesego stated that in the hours before the massacre a team of Special Task Force Officers were flown into Marikana by helicopter and took command of the operation on the ground. These members of the Special Task Force were responsible for opening fire on the mine workers and ordering the police officers on the scene to shoot and kill the mine workers trying to escape the massacre. One of the Special Task Force Officers used a machine gun mounted on an armoured car to fire on the mine workers. After the massacre the Special Task Force Officers were flown out by helicopter. The SA Police claimed at the time that no members of the Special Task Force were present at the massacre and these individuals were never called to give evidence at the Marikana Inquiry.

The police officers who spoke to City Press claim that their weapons were taken from them and they were given new firearms - they claim that the weapons they used were never sent to ballistics for testing. They state that they were ordered by superior officers not to speak to anyone, especially their families and the media about the massacre. The superiors also confiscated all the SA officers mobile phones many of which contained video footage of the massacre. None of this video footage was presented to the Marikana Inquiry.

This new information has direct and serious consequences for new South African President Cyril Ramaphosa. Ramaphosa was, at the time of the massacre, a non-executive director of Lonmin, the mining company at the centre of the Marikana strike. Emails sent the day before the massacre and produced at the Marikana inquiry implicated Ramaphosa in the planning of the massacre. Ramaphosa demanded that “concomitant action” must be taken against the miners. He also referred to them as “plainly dastardly criminals”. The Inquiry Report said that there was no basis for the commission to find, even on a prima facie basis, that Ramaphosa is guilty of the crimes he is alleged to have committed.

Since these new revelations last week Ramaphosa has been talking about 'healing and atonement' for the massacre. The South African Federation of Trade Unions is demanding a new Inquiry because of this new evidence. In a statement SAFTU claims “He (Ramaphosa) too can’t escape with a lousy apology. He is as guilty as those who under pressure from him organised the brutal killing of workers,”









[video=youtube;zA2DVSV1GXs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA2DVSV1GXs[/video]

[video=youtube;EHgBgnTrEqk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHgBgnTrEqk[/video]
 
Last edited:


petaljam

Moderator
Joined
Nov 23, 2012
Messages
30,685
Im not entirely surprised by this, except by the fact that it seems to all be coming out into the open. The allegations at the time of massive and unwarranted police violence made a deliberate attack on the miners seem highly plausible.

Very sad to see what South Africa seems to be becoming, after such high hopes.

I just hope the miners and their families finally get some justice.
 

storybud1

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 25, 2011
Messages
6,531
Startling new evidence was revealed last week that the South African Police planned the massacre of 34 mine workers at Marikana in Rustenberg on 16 August 2012. 112 mine workers were also injured during the shooting spree by SA Police. Police officers have also admitted that the police shot dead miners who had been 'captured'

Constable Itumeleng Ntsileng stated that the police officers at the massacre had been hyped up before the massacre by claims from superior officers that the mine workers present had been responsible for two police officers being hacked to death a few days before.

Ntsileng told City Press in South Africa how at least one of their colleagues and others from the police’s special task force shot striking mine workers in Marikana on August 16 2012 who had surrendered and were begging for their lives. another police officer has stated that several miners were shot in the legs to incapacitate them and then 'finished off' by shooting them in the head.

Constable Lesego claims that police officers were ordered to 'finish off' the mine workers by superior officers. Lesego stated that in the hours before the massacre a team of Special Task Force Officers were flown into Marikana by helicopter and took command of the operation on the ground. These members of the Special Task Force were responsible for opening fire on the mine workers and ordering the police officers on the scene to shoot and kill the mine workers trying to escape the massacre. One of the Special Task Force Officers used a machine gun mounted on an armoured car to fire on the mine workers. After the massacre the Special Task Force Officers were flown out by helicopter. The SA Polcie claimed at the time that no members of the Special Task Force were present at the massacre and these individuals were never called to give evidence at the Marikana Inquiry.

The police officers who spoke to City Press claim that their weapons were taken from them and they were given new firearms - they claim that the weapons they used were never sent to ballistics for testing. They state that they were ordered by superior officers not to speak to anyone, especially their families and the media about the massacre. The superiors also confiscated all the SA officers mobile phones many of which contained video footage of the massacre. None of this video footage was presented to the Marikana Inquiry.

This new information has direct and serious consequences for new South African President Cyril Ramaphosa. Ramaphosa was, at the time of the massacre, a non-executive director of Lonmin, the mining company at the centre of the Marikana strike. Emails sent the day before the massacre and produced at the Marikana inquiry implicated Ramaphosa in the planning of the massacre. Ramaphosa demanded that “concomitant action” must be taken against the miners. He also referred to them as “plainly dastardly criminals”. The Inquiry Report said that there was no basis for the commission to find, even on a prima facie basis, that Ramaphosa is guilty of the crimes he is alleged to have committed.

Since these new revelations last week Ramaphosa has been talking about 'healing and atonement' for the massacre. The South African Federation of Trade Unions is demanding a new Inquiry because of this new evidence. In a statement SAFTU claims “He (Ramaphosa) too can’t escape with a lousy apology. He is as guilty as those who under pressure from him organised the brutal killing of workers,”









[video=youtube;zA2DVSV1GXs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA2DVSV1GXs[/video]

[video=youtube;EHgBgnTrEqk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHgBgnTrEqk[/video]
Why on earth do you think anybody in the world is not surprised at the level of corruption taking place in S.A. ??

Why on Earth would anyone think it will get any better given the "culture" that exists there ?

Companies are not investing because they simply do not know how bad it will get and hence the drain is starting,,
 

devoutcapitalist

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 26, 2013
Messages
16,437
I thought the ANC were supposed to have freed their people from oppression.:rolleyes:

The old apartheid regime rulers would have been very proud of the South African police in 2012.
 

Analyzer

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 14, 2011
Messages
45,623
The Mandela family are loaded - so rich that old Nelson got fed up with their greed.

Zuma and his buddies the Guptas are also loaded.

The Zulus look down on everybody else.

In Gauteng (supposedly the least tribal region), the various suburbs are turning into tribal pie slices.

The Afrikaaners are being terrorized in the rural areas, and the Indians and Anglos have already been driven out.

Violent crime is down, but it is still not solved.

Black professionals are getting increasingly concerned about the polticial corruption, but are not yet able to tackle it. And the Afrikaaners are reluctant to speak up.

South Africa needs something better than the ANC, because it seems as if the ANC is presiding over chaos - and is not determined to fix any of it.
 

Nebuchadnezzar

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 15, 2011
Messages
10,901
Whatever about the subsequent killings the initial action of the police per the video seems reasonable. The miners, armed with machetes and clubs, and according to some accounts having opened fire with handguns on the police, charged at the police who were falling back from the miners advance. The police response seems valid. I note that C4 footage stops once the shooting starts and that minimises the threat posed by the miners as their charge is less obvious. Their charge continued after the police opened fire. It’s also notable that an officer, a senior officer I presume, gives the hand signal to cease fire as soon as it’s apparent that the charge has been broken.

The subsequent killings may well be unlawful but that initial action seems to be a legitimate case of self defence and reasonable force.
 

making waves

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2010
Messages
19,300
When the Marikana Massacre was first reported on p.ie five years ago we had a stream of right-wing posters claiming the miners deserved what they got and the police were acting in self-defence.

As demonstrated by the post by Nebuchadnezzar above. Clearly ignoring the news claims by police at the massacre - and all the evidence that emerged during the Marikana Inquiry.
 

Nebuchadnezzar

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 15, 2011
Messages
10,901
When the Marikana Massacre was first reported on p.ie five years ago we had a stream of right-wing posters claiming the miners deserved what they got and the police were acting in self-defence.

As demonstrated by the post by Nebuchadnezzar above.
Argue the video evidence.....that initial action seems to justify the police response in that specific instance.

If a large body of men armed with machetes and clubs charges at the police the use of live ammunition is legitimate. Especially so if the they are commanded to cease fire as soon as reasonably possible.
 

Nebuchadnezzar

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 15, 2011
Messages
10,901
If you want to make the case that the police acted unlawfully( and based on the subsequent events their seems to be a case to answer) don’t use video evidence which shows them acting in self defence.
 

making waves

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2010
Messages
19,300
Argue the video evidence.....that initial action seems to justify the police response in that specific instance.

If a large body of men armed with machetes and clubs charges at the police the use of live ammunition is legitimate. Especially so if the they are commanded to cease fire as soon as reasonably possible.
I went through this at the time - the men shot in the initial burst of gunfire were fenced in with razorwire - they were repeatedly shelled with stun grenades and tear gas. A section of the wire was left open right where the heavily armed members of the SAPS (and all the media cameras) were stationed. The miners rushed through the razorwire to escape the grenades and tear gas right into the live fire of the police. At the Marikana Inquiry evidence was produced (and not disputed by the police) that no one single miner who came through the gap in the razorwire was armed.
 

Nebuchadnezzar

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 15, 2011
Messages
10,901
I went through this at the time - the men shot in the initial burst of gunfire were fenced in with razorwire - they were repeatedly shelled with stun grenades and tear gas. A section of the wire was left open right where the heavily armed members of the SAPS (and all the media cameras) were stationed. The miners rushed through the razorwire to escape the grenades and tear gas right into the live fire of the police. At the Marikana Inquiry evidence was produced (and not disputed by the police) that no one single miner who came through the gap in the razorwire was armed.
According to page 55 of the Marikana Inquiry the charging miners were armed with “spears and pangas”.

https://www.casac.org.za/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Summary-and-Analysis-of-the-Report-of-the-Marikana-Commission-of-Inquiry.pdf
 

making waves

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2010
Messages
19,300
According to page 55 of the Marikana Inquiry the charging miners were armed with “spears and pangas”.

https://www.casac.org.za/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Summary-and-Analysis-of-the-Report-of-the-Marikana-Commission-of-Inquiry.pdf
The Marikana Report was a whitewash - and was always intended as a whitewash - the evidence produced during the Inquiry demonstrated that the mineworkers were not armed - those who were carrying spears and pangas had dropped them before the shooting started - the evidence produced at the Inquiry was that the mineworkers were not charging at the police, they were escaping from the stun grenades and the tear gas (and page 55 of the report does not state that the miners were charging at the police).

This is the analysis of video footage produced by eNCA the day after the massacre. The video does claim that a gun was found at the scene - however, during the Marikana Inquiry evidence was produced to show that this gun was actually planted by the police. There is other video footage that purports to sow a miner pointing and firing a gun at the police just before the massacre - again evidence was produced during the Inquiry that this was not the case.

[video=youtube;Mt11f7p13f0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt11f7p13f0[/video]

All of this belies the latest revelations that the Massacre was planned by the SAPS, that the Special Task Force planned and orchestrated the initial incident - the massacre at Scene 1 where 13 miners were killed - and then the later butchery on the Koppee (Scene 2).

This is a documentary about the Marikana Massacre - it details all the events leading up to the Massacre - the actions of the Lonmin company, the actions of the NUM in cahoots with the company, the actions of the police in cahoots with the company - and it details the actions of the Marikana miners on the day of the massacre and how the massacre was orchestrated by the police. All of thise has been confirmed by the latest revelations from police who participated in the operation on the day of the massacre.

[video=youtube;ssPrxvgePsc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssPrxvgePsc[/video]
 

Nebuchadnezzar

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 15, 2011
Messages
10,901
The Marikana Report was a whitewash - and was always intended as a whitewash - the evidence produced during the Inquiry demonstrated that the mineworkers were not armed - those who were carrying spears and pangas had dropped them before the shooting started - the evidence produced at the Inquiry was that the mineworkers were not charging at the police, they were escaping from the stun grenades and the tear gas (and page 55 of the report does not state that the miners were charging at the police).

This is the analysis of video footage produced by eNCA the day after the massacre. The video does claim that a gun was found at the scene - however, during the Marikana Inquiry evidence was produced to show that this gun was actually planted by the police. There is other video footage that purports to sow a miner pointing and firing a gun at the police just before the massacre - again evidence was produced during the Inquiry that this was not the case.

[video=youtube;Mt11f7p13f0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt11f7p13f0[/video]

All of this belies the latest revelations that the Massacre was planned by the SAPS, that the Special Task Force planned and orchestrated the initial incident - the massacre at Scene 1 where 13 miners were killed - and then the later butchery on the Koppee (Scene 2).

This is a documentary about the Marikana Massacre - it details all the events leading up to the Massacre - the actions of the Lonmin company, the actions of the NUM in cahoots with the company, the actions of the police in cahoots with the company - and it details the actions of the Marikana miners on the day of the massacre and how the massacre was orchestrated by the police. All of thise has been confirmed by the latest revelations from police who participated in the operation on the day of the massacre.

[video=youtube;ssPrxvgePsc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssPrxvgePsc[/video]
You referred to the Marikana Inquiry in support of your contention that the miners were unarmed.....but now your dismissing it as a whitewash.
 

making waves

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2010
Messages
19,300
You referred to the Marikana Inquiry in support of your contention that the miners were unarmed.....but now your dismissing it as a whitewash.
Again- trying to put words in my mouth - the Report was a whitewash - the Inquiry itself exposed all the corruption, complicity and planning of the massacre between the ANC Govenrment, the police and Lonmin. The Inquiry was never intended to bring anyone to justice for the massacre and the Report confirmed that nothing would be done. In fact the only people who have been every been charged with any crime for what happened that day are mine workers.

However, the revelations from these police officers last week open the whole can of worms for Ramaphosa, the police and Lonmin again - it exposes that what was clear from the evidence at the inquiry was accurate - that the massacre was planned and that the police carried out widespread executions of miners that day.
 

flavirostris

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 21, 2007
Messages
24,570
Is it really that surprising to see the ANC acting like Fianna Fáil?
Ah here. The ANC are corrupt, nepotistic, totalitarian bastards but comparing them to Fianna Fail is Godwin-esque.
 

GDPR

1
Joined
Jul 5, 2008
Messages
217,782
Is it really that surprising to see the ANC acting like Fianna Fáil?
What a sick post. When Fianna Fail took power they were incredibly gracious to their former enemies. If people honestly believe that FF are ridiculously corrupt that they should visit South Africa for a month or two to see what actual over the top corruption looks like.
 

Clanrickard

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 25, 2008
Messages
33,160
When the Marikana Massacre was first reported on p.ie five years ago we had a stream of right-wing posters claiming the miners deserved what they got and the police were acting in self-defence.

As demonstrated by the post by Nebuchadnezzar above. Clearly ignoring the news claims by police at the massacre - and all the evidence that emerged during the Marikana Inquiry.
There was no "storm" except in your Trot addled head.
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top