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"New" IRA admits that it killed journalist in Londonderry


Hillmanhunter1

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The green book shooting unarmed people in back forcing people to drive bombs to their death.
The sangars were built because of the conflict when the murders stopped the sangars went away.
 

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Yup............"seems to be" your nonsense exposed yet again.lol.
Have you information that would help achieve greater certainty?
 

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The above is the type of nonsense that the apologists for the murder of Lyra McKee love to spout.

"A brother of a friend of mine"

"How the media portrayed the situation"

"trying to manufacture a scapegoat, maybe several, "


Antoin you are not going to succeed in your attempt to make us "Look over there "

Lyra McKee was murdered .

Those who furnish information to the PSNI are not "felon-setting innocent people". The people of Northern Ireland(Nationalists included ) have had enough of armed thugs ,wrapping themselves in Green Flags, oppressing them. "Saoradh, " the "New IRA" have no mandate and do not represent the communities in Northern Ireland.


" Perhaps some people haven't got a conscience?" : We can certainly identify some who murder without conscience!
The biggest boost that the murderers of Lyra can ever get is to have mainstream media refer to them as "IRA". Our state controlled RTE is probably the biggest offender, always adding the term "dissident". Lyra's killers are not IRA or Republican or anything else other tham drug running gangsters using "IRA" as a means of garnering some type of credibility and legitimacy. I even heard our great Minister for Justice referring to the policing of paramilitaries and "ordinary: criminals. This outdated nonsense which makes such distinction is playing eright into the hands of the likes of the thrash that terrorise the Creggan
 

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He said "Saoradh "understood" the violence.", which is great, because nobody else does.

Perhaps, as a spokesman, he could come here and explain.
You welcomed the news that Saoradh had their Twitter Account suspended, which is fair enough, but how can you square that by quoting what you describe as someone who..

seems to be a member of the National Executive..
And who you then claim..

..also seems to be a spokesman for Saoradh..
Which makes as little sense as the content of the comment itself, unless you're suggesting that you support controlled censorship, that you agree with..

"Seems to be" Seems to be"

WTF, ever try Some of the right wing rags for a job?
How can you possibly want someone gagged and censored, and at the same time, expect them to explain a comment they may or may not have made, and why should we be expected to take what someone with an obvious bias against them said at face value?
 

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How can you possibly want someone gagged and censored, and at the same time, expect them to explain a comment they may or may not have made, and why should we be expected to take what someone with an obvious bias against them said at face value?
I never said I'd like Mr Gallagher to be gagged and censored, and if he wants to explain and defend what he means by "understanding the violence" that would be great. But as with all threads on p.ie he'd better be prepared to get as good as he gives. As far as I'm concerned Saoradh is just a bunch of unemployable criminal degenerates.

As for Twitter AFAIK Mr Gallagher has not been banned on Twitter. I do support the suspension of Saoradh's Twitter account because it sends a strong message of disapproval. But on this thread I have also supported the right of Saoradh to make speeches (but not hold parades dressed as militia) on O'Connell St.
 

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....For all the wrong they done, I think the Irish people are forever indebted to the men and women who helped to bring about that physical change in the landscape, and I think it's fair to say that Ireland isn't as occupied as it was..
For all the wrong they done, let them fry in hell. Irish people, with the exception of apologists for the various republican gangs, should in no way feel indebted to the criminals and murderers who brought disgrace on Ireland.
 

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The sangars were built because of the conflict when the murders stopped the sangars went away.
OK, I'm sure you're not a bit biased, so could you tell me when and why these murders started, what role the Sangars played in preventing more of them, and why in the absence of them and the Watch Towers, there has been so few of them?

The green book shooting unarmed people in back forcing people to drive bombs to their death.
That's fascinating, but has very little to do with the original claim made here:

You are an apologist for Saoradh and the criminal murderers of Lyra McKee.
And again, here:

Do you agree that Lyra McKee was murdered?

Do you agree that any right thinking person should give all and any information to the PSNI which might help in the apprehension of the murderers of Lyra McKee?

If you cannot answer a simple "Yes" to both the questions then you are an apologist.
Re-enforcing the claim made here that I wasn't..

..playing Devil's Advocate...
And that I was..

..trying to diffuse attention away from the despicable and cowardly murderers of Lyra McKee...
In order to..

..to create a context within which individuals are no longer responsible for their actions because they themselves were victims of their environment.
Despite the fact that I made the same poster aware three weeks ago, that they were responding to someone else's posts, and ascribing other peoples views to me, after I had said that..

Two wrongs don't make a right, and there's no getting away from the fact that the young woman would also still be alive if nobody pulled the trigger, no matter what way any of us spin it, so ultimately a young Irish woman has been robbed of her life, and the person who pulled the trigger has been robbed of their humanity.
And as you 'liked' that particular post, I presume you were aware of that fact.
 
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Your country is not occupied..

The scum who killed Lyra McKee and not freedom fighters or social justice fighters. That war is over..
There is a peace process in Northern Ireland, imperfect and uneven, but it represents the wish of the overwhelming majority of Irish people, North and South.

Whoever fired the shot "defending the people" is a traitor, and a cowardly murderer, and belongs in jail.

Everybody knows what the cause is, there is no big picture - except in small minds. It's not a question that requires any further reflection.

We also know what the solution is - the Good Friday Agreement, duly and democratically accepted by the people of Ireland.
You described 'the troubles' as 'a war', and then you tell me my country isn't occupied? For arguments sake, we'll settle on 'the troubles', although Anglo-Irish War suits me fine, when I'm discussing the subject with fellow historians. Now, the last contradiction was bizarre, but that pales in comparison to your suggestion that 'whoever fired the shot "defending the people" is a traitor, and a cowardly murderer, and belongs in jail', and then bizarrely claimed that the killing was linked to the 'peace process in Northern Ireland, imperfect and uneven', which you claimed 'represents the wishes of the overwhelming majority of Irish people, North and South', and that the solution to it was 'the Good Friday Agreement, duly and democratically accepted by the people of Ireland', even though we all know that never happened, as there was two separate referendums held on the same day, but given that the GFA happened 21 years ago, as opposed to 3 weeks ago, it's implausible that there is any co-relation between that, and the death of Lyra McKee.

In 2019? Like, really? Other than that, all you are doing is brow-beating the other 5 million law-abiding citizens, with an a-historical document that most of them haven't read, but readily agree with the broad-stroke definition. You are reverting to type, ascribing other peoples political views to my perception of history, insofar as you read far too much into throwaway comments with loaded words like 'occupation.'
 
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Do you agree that any right thinking person should give all and any information to the PSNI which might help in the apprehension of the murderers of Lyra McKee?
"I believe in the rule of law" - Rosemary Nelson

On March 15th 1999, some two weeks later, Rosemary Nelson was blown up and killed as she drove to work - The Murder of Rosemary Nelson

I believe Rosemary Nelson was a right thinking person and a law-abiding citizen, and given the unique circumstances pertaining in the 6 Counties, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that there is still an abnormal policing problem, despite 25 years of relative peace. It depends on what you define as 'a right thinking person.' I think the British Secret Services are putting peoples lives in danger, every time they recruit vulnerable people to act as informants against an imaginary threat, so no, you won't brow-beat me into supporting the practice..

"An innocent woman is dead because of a reckless act. This is wrong and my thoughts like the thoughts of this entire community are with her loved ones. I would plead with those behind this attack to desist from any further attacks and seriously consider the consequences of their actions."
Besides, why should the onus be on me, or anyone else for that matter, to condemn something I've never condoned, having quoted a local politician condemning the attack to you elsewhere? It's not so much as 'look over there', as 'look over where?' :unsure::coffee:(y) And sure tomorrow is a new day..
 

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I never said I'd like Mr Gallagher to be gagged and censored, and if he wants to explain and defend what he means by "understanding the violence" that would be great. But as with all threads on p.ie he'd better be prepared to get as good as he gives. As far as I'm concerned Saoradh is just a bunch of unemployable criminal degenerates.

As for Twitter AFAIK Mr Gallagher has not been banned on Twitter. I do support the suspension of Saoradh's Twitter account because it sends a strong message of disapproval. But on this thread I have also supported the right of Saoradh to make speeches (but not hold parades dressed as militia) on O'Connell St.
Republican Commemorations aren't something that are going to fade any time soon in Ireland, and as a matter of fact, will probably continue ad infinitum. I don't know an awful lot about Saoradh, so while they are not my cup of tea, I believe in free speech. I think your problem is that you are confusing the messengers with the messages. No harm done.
 

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For all the wrong they done, let them fry in hell. Irish people, with the exception of apologists for the various republican gangs, should in no way feel indebted to the criminals and murderers who brought disgrace on Ireland.
That's great, but before I escape from this open asylum, here was my two cents:

Will the death of Lyra McKee:

A) Bring us any closer to Irish Unity?

B) Bring us any closer to a Socialist Republic?

C) Have any influence on the political decision making process which led to the riot squad being deployed to the area in the first place?

D) Help bridge the divisions which already exist between the Nationalist and Unionist communities, either within or outside the context of Irish Unity?
For clarity sake I support A and B, but I'm fussed about neither.
 

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Saoradh says it's 'going nowhere' after latest Derry raids

The hard-line republican party issued a defiant statement after police investigating the murder of Lyra McKee in Creggan last month searched its Junior McDaid House premises on Chamberlain Street. A number of items were taken during the police operation but no arrests were made.

It claimed that the raid was "a culmination of unprofessional journalism by some and a near hysterical clergy all being dragged nose first by the crocodile tears of former republicans who are working along with British Crown Forces to thwart any and all republican activism".

One of the few quotes from Karl Marx that I agree with is the idea that history repeats itself, "the first as tragedy, then as farce".

We are well into farce territory now.
 

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Republican Commemorations aren't something that are going to fade any time soon in Ireland, and as a matter of fact, will probably continue ad infinitum. I don't know an awful lot about Saoradh, so while they are not my cup of tea, I believe in free speech. I think your problem is that you are confusing the messengers with the messages. No harm done.
There is little in this world that is certain, but one thing that is (thankfully) certain is that nothing continues ad infinitum.
 

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This is Packy Carthy:

View attachment 17993

Mr Carthy describes himself as a Saoradh activist:

Mr Carthy does not accept the democratic wishes of the people of Ireland - he does not accept the Good Friday Agreement.

Read his interview with Martin Galvin here:
Packy Carty – The Transcripts
Saoradh says it's 'going nowhere' after latest Derry raids

The hard-line republican party issued a defiant statement after police investigating the murder of Lyra McKee in Creggan last month searched its Junior McDaid House premises on Chamberlain Street. A number of items were taken during the police operation but no arrests were made.

It claimed that the raid was "a culmination of unprofessional journalism by some and a near hysterical clergy all being dragged nose first by the crocodile tears of former republicans who are working along with British Crown Forces to thwart any and all republican activism".

One of the few quotes from Karl Marx that I agree with is the idea that history repeats itself, "the first as tragedy, then as farce".

We are well into farce territory now.
Here we go again, ascribing the "Republican" tag to a few gangsters whose only aim is to lord it over the local community and at the same time make an easy living through racketeering and drug running. Of course, muder has now moved them up a notch in that Great Hall of Fame of Great Irish Freedom Fighters.
Maybe Phil Coulter will write a ballad commemorating their latest greatest deed. "The Killing of Lyra", would be a good title.
These eejits would not be able to point out on a map of ireland which end is North or South. Republicans my ass.
 
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“Of course, muder has now moved them up a notch in that Great Hall of Fame of Great Irish Freedom Fighters”


Heren is the one and only person who has said the above......nuff said methinks😂😂😂
 

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“Of course, muder has now moved them up a notch in that Great Hall of Fame of Great Irish Freedom Fighters”


Heren is the one and only person who has said the above......nuff said methinks😂😂😂
Do you support Saoradh?

Yes or no?

No weasel words, or smart-alickery, or trolling other contributors.
 

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