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New Paedophile Priest Exposed


beardyboy

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In todays (Friday 4th) paper it is reporting another priest is jailed for five and a half years. He abused boys for 30 years, grooming vulnerable youngsters and assaulting them during sleepovers and on holidays abroad.

This is particularly embarrassing as Church officials were told twice about him and they said that it had been "dealt with".

Then there was the case last week when the Church was accused of failing to tell the police about the activities of a former choirmasterwho abused boys in his care but went on to become a school governor.

When will this all end?
 

zacchy

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beardyboy said:
In todays (Friday 4th) paper it is reporting another priest is jailed for five and a half years. He abused boys for 30 years, grooming vulnerable youngsters and assaulting them during sleepovers and on holidays abroad.?
Five and half years? Is that all? The prison sentences in Ireland are horribly lenient.
 

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beardyboy said:
In todays (Friday 4th) paper it is reporting another priest is jailed for five and a half years. He abused boys for 30 years, grooming vulnerable youngsters and assaulting them during sleepovers and on holidays abroad.

This is particularly embarrassing as Church officials were told twice about him and they said that it had been "dealt with".

Then there was the case last week when the Church was accused of failing to tell the police about the activities of a former choirmasterwho abused boys in his care but went on to become a school governor.

When will this all end?
I think this will end when the Roman Catholic church clearly and explicitly recognizes the supremacy of civil law over ecclesiastical law in carnal/physical matters. In this case, there will be no question of "dealing with" this in the Church; instead, the police would be in at once, with Church officials only coming in as witnesses.

Just as Lutherans do. (Not really sure where the Anglicans/CofI stand on this)
 

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MichaelR said:
beardyboy said:
In todays (Friday 4th) paper it is reporting another priest is jailed for five and a half years. He abused boys for 30 years, grooming vulnerable youngsters and assaulting them during sleepovers and on holidays abroad.

This is particularly embarrassing as Church officials were told twice about him and they said that it had been "dealt with".

Then there was the case last week when the Church was accused of failing to tell the police about the activities of a former choirmasterwho abused boys in his care but went on to become a school governor.

When will this all end?
I think this will end when the Roman Catholic church clearly and explicitly recognizes the supremacy of civil law over ecclesiastical law in carnal/physical matters. In this case, there will be no question of "dealing with" this in the Church; instead, the police would be in at once, with Church officials only coming in as witnesses.

Civil powers may be able to force the issue by making non-forwarding child abuse reports to police an offence for any person of authority in any organization.

Just as Lutherans do. (Not really sure where the Anglicans/CofI stand on this)
 

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It will end when the people stop making excuses for these bastards. As long as they see that a significant constituency feel the church is the real victim they will continue to play it quiet.
 

beardyboy

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Should the Church be made to pay compo or should the Priest pay.
 

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beardyboy said:
Should the Church be made to pay compo or should the Priest pay.
The Priest should *serve prison time* not only pay compo. Church (or other) officials covering up should also serve prison time.

The Church (any church, for that matter) should not be given the luxury of being viewed as some special body.
 

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As have seen before the church claim poverty and the goverment payed more then half the compo
 

beardyboy

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cooperation said:
As have seen before the church claim poverty and the goverment payed more then half the compo
If the priest is at fault why would the Church pay?
 

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beardyboy said:
cooperation said:
As have seen before the church claim poverty and the goverment payed more then half the compo
If the priest is at fault why would the Church pay?
Because it was in his capacity as a representative that these acts were committed perhaps? And the fact that the CC still ranks their own image above the suffering of innocents?

For a start...
 

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The OD said:
beardyboy said:
cooperation said:
As have seen before the church claim poverty and the goverment payed more then half the compo
If the priest is at fault why would the Church pay?
Because it was in his capacity as a representative that these acts were committed perhaps? And the fact that the CC still ranks their own image above the suffering of innocents?

For a start...
The priest would not be representing them when he was abusing the boys - just as any other worker in any other capacity would not be representing their employer in the same circumstance
 

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beardyboy said:
The OD said:
beardyboy said:
cooperation said:
As have seen before the church claim poverty and the goverment payed more then half the compo
If the priest is at fault why would the Church pay?
Because it was in his capacity as a representative that these acts were committed perhaps? And the fact that the CC still ranks their own image above the suffering of innocents?

For a start...
The priest would not be representing them when he was abusing the boys - just as any other worker in any other capacity would not be representing their employer in the same circumstance
As I understand, a Priest takes a vocation to the Priesthood and therefore is never 'off duty'. Added to the fact that the Church once again aided and abetted in the abuse of innocents by trying to fob the issue off, I would say that they are culpable.
 

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I agree that the culpability in trying to cover up is there - but for the action?

What would you want the organisation to doas recompense?
 

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What would you want the organisation to doas recompense?
I think they should decommission their Croziers and wind down their organisation. They must also start supporting the police and reporting illegal acts.
 

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Celibacy and sexual repression part of the problem

Celibacy and sexual repression part of the problem

Thirty years ago when I asked a Jesuit priest in his late thirties if celibacy would continue in the Church, he looked despairing when he replied that an end to celibacy would make his great personal sacrifice of sex and marriage meaningless. Celibacy is ridiculous but this priest's sexual repression is tragic.

Celibacy is utterly unnatural. The human male in nature tends to be sexually promiscuous in primitive societies, as anthropologists have observed.

Nature punishes the celibate. There are severe psychological consequences for priests who commit to celibacy-loneliness in the absence of family,psychological repression and psychological guilt from an inability to fully repress sexual imaginings and masturbation. The sense of guilt and shame is enhanced by Church's condemnation of all sexuality outside of mariage,including sexual imaginings, as mortal sins that can condemn the soul to eternal damnation in Hell. This terrified previous generations of devout Irish Catholics,as illustrated by the sermon on Hell in James Joyce's "Portrait of the artist as a young man".

Celibacy is harder to bear for the priesthood than sexual inactivity for other males. A single man can be in regular contact with women and his hopes for success can keep him going but the priest lacks this outlet>

given the lack of a psychologically healthy outlet for sexuality a minority of priests become vulnerable to sexual deviancy and some of the deviant will engage in sex crimes>
 

zacchy

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If the sin is told in confession, then the priest shouldn't report it to the gardaí, but he should be prepared for any prosecution that may result from keeping it secret.

As a Catholic, I have no problem with celibacy, I see the reason for it. The Ferns Report suggested that celibacy may have contributed to the crisis, but Professor Patricia Casey said that in the light of limited information about the pattern of child molestation, the assertion must be viewed with extreme scepticism.

In the eastern rite of the Catholic Church, where celibacy is reserved for the episcopacy, there are still many abuse cases. In the Church of England a priest recently was convicted for child abuse, a week after it came under fire for "its failure to report abuse by a former choirmaster who indecently assaulted boys between 1985 and 2000".

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/b ... /10622.htm
 

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beardyboy said:
What would you want the organisation to doas recompense?
Hand over all the guilty, including those guilty of cover-up, to the police. Prevent them from escaping (i.e. abroad) by threatening immediate excommunication of all those who fail to turn themselves in.

I can't support those here who say that celibacy is at fault and therefore the church should abolish it. Those who really do believe celibacy is wrong should start by joining a different denomination, for example the Church of Ireland. Either you believe that the Pope and his councils are infallible - and thus are right about celibacy - or you believe that they have erred, and then you're a protestant (not to be confused with Paisleyism which is only one minority version). Of course it would be nice from my viewpoint if Rome agreed it's not infallible and would therefore heal the division, but let's not use child abuse as a hammer to push it in this.

Abusers will abuse, celibacy or no. Romans 13 teaches that the civil power is there to punish physical evil by physical means. Just give full cooperation and be done with it - as we prods do when one of our own is guilty.
 

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beardyboy said:
cooperation said:
As have seen before the church claim poverty and the goverment payed more then half the compo
If the priest is at fault why would the Church pay?
I cannot believe you asked such a ridiculous question.

- The Church hired this man.
- The Church educated this man for priesthood in the seminary.
- The Church dispatched this man to parishes, where as a priest he was allowed uncontrolled access to children by parents taught by the Church that it was by definition trustworthy and its clergymen 'men of God'.
- The Church failed to offer any 'duty of care' both for their employee or for those who came into contact through Church structures with him.
- When informed that the man was committing a criminal offence, the Church failed to report him to the required civil authorities and the Gardaí.
- The Church failed to ensure the man was withdrawn from access to children.

What has to happen in Ireland is quite simple. Church law has to declared subservient to civil law. Everyone who fails to report the criminal actions of someone else must be subject to full prosecution for perverting the course and justice, and jailed.

Maybe it might finally make some churchmen cop themselves on when, on the next occasion it turns out that a child molester was in effect protected by the church and his criminal acts not reported, his parish priest (if he was curate) is investigated and if it turns out that he was aware of the actions and himself did not report them, he is prosecuted and jailed. And if the bishop was aware of it, he too is jailed. And his he told any other bishops and they did not report the man to the gardaí, they too are jailed. And if someone in the Vatican was told, and did not inform the Irish authorities of the man's behaviour, the Irish state begins extradition proceedings against whichever bishop, archbishop or cardinal in Rome was aware of the facts.

And if an major financial award is made against the church and it pulls the usual 'inability to pay' stunt, the courts should order the seizure of church property: the church would soon cop on when it finds that it loses valuable real estate, a parochial house, bishop's palace, church or seminary.
 
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