New planning regs for Tipp

Mrs. Crotta Cliach

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"Tipperary County Council proposes to change planning regulations for housing clusters"

"Tipperary County Council is to relax its planning regulations to allow developers build housing clusters in villages even where there is no mains sewerage.

"Under the proposed guidelines, it will also not be a condition that the person building a house in a village or rural area must originally be from that area.

Tipperary County Council proposes to change planning regulations for housing clusters - Tipperary Star

No sewers required. Septic tanks will be fine. Ignore the water problems. Ignore the road problems. A good few years back Emly built a new sub-division and Limerick families were moved in there. Nothing but problems ever since because they had no ties to the area. Little recycling available. No garbage incineration. Garbage is already being dumped onto the hedgerows.

Tipp must need tax money. This is county wide planning now.
 


Mrs. Crotta Cliach

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Because there's a housing crisis?
I know there is a housing crisis in Dublin and other large cities, but where in Tipp is there a housing crisis? There might be once Clonmel and Carrick start to flood in the future, but they don't seem too concerned about that.
 

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I think it is awful as the civic structures are not there to support that much new construction. Why do you like it?
I don't think it's right to restrict people's choice of where they want to live or who can live in the area (only locals can build). If someone wants to live away from schools or public transport - it's his choice.
At the other hand I understand remote living implies costs on taxpayer, eg post still needs to be delivered (emails will sort this in the future), ambulances or gards would need to travel.

But as a general rule - less regulation the better for everyone.
 
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I know there is a housing crisis in Dublin and other large cities, but where in Tipp is there a housing crisis? There might be once Clonmel and Carrick start to flood in the future, but they don't seem too concerned about that.
People and goods are mobile. The Planting of Tipperary will begin in June of 2018.
 

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Build a load of houses where there are no jobs ? GHOST estates, ghettoes, problem neighbourhoods of the future. FILL it up with dole heads, foreigners , and fundamentalists.
 

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Build a load of houses where there are no jobs ? GHOST estates, ghettoes, problem neighbourhoods of the future.
Nobody's going to build where's no jobs, builders and developers are much more strategic these days. With no flood of credit people will not be able to buy in places where there's no jobs. I'd say this is more about self builds than estates. Big estate in the middle of nowhere would still require a planning permission and can be handled at this level.
 

Mrs. Crotta Cliach

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I don't think it's right to restrict people's choice of where they want to live or who can live in the area (only locals can build). If someone wants to live away from schools or public transport - it's his choice.
At the other hand I understand remote living implies costs on taxpayer, eg post still needs to be delivered (emails will sort this in the future), ambulances or gards would need to travel.

But as a general rule - less regulation the better for everyone.
You are picking up a bit on some of the problems with rural living. We have one (1) Guarda car on duty from Bansha to the Limerick border and covering all of West Tipp including the Glen. You may or may not ever see a response within 2 hours if the car is on the other side of its patrol area or on a call. The ambulance service is kind of the same and I'm surprised more people have not died waiting for help. This is NOT the fault of the ambulance service or the Guards. Stray sheep and cattle on the roads slowing you down. Tractors and hay trucks, silage trucks, all types of farm equipment going slowly down the road using both lanes. Hospitals at great distances. Few school buses. No or very few transportation buses. Too old to drive? - they have cancelled most handicapped vans and Meals On Wheels. Giant potholes. Mucky tertiary roads. Few amenities. And more.
 

Mrs. Crotta Cliach

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Nobody's going to build where's no jobs, builders and developers are much more strategic these days. With no flood of credit people will not be able to buy in places where there's no jobs. I'd say this is more about self builds than estates. Big estate in the middle of nowhere would still require a planning permission and can be handled at this level.
They appear to be talking about new estates, not one-offers. I am curious where they might plan a substantial AFFORDABLE senior citizens development.
 

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There's one more argument which can be put in place. Making more land available for build will put a downward pressure on land prices. With amount of land available for building increase the pressure on demand side for available land dilutes, land gets cheaper and housing more affordable. Overgrown planning restrictions create speculative environment around land and prices sky rocket artificially in times of high demand.
 

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If the government can improve zoning and planning, increasing the available land for building, nobody would even consider building a remote housing estate. Even the ghost estates were just market's response to regulation failure.
The solution doesn't lie in more and more regulations, restrictions and prohibition. This is not the way to go. The policy should focus on creating good environment so the home buyers can buy in places where they want to live and not where they can afford. Places with very high demand should be allowed and even encouraged to build upwards and more dense.
 


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