New poll puts RoI support for united Ireland at 60%, even with €9b annual cost

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The Ireland Thinks survey shows a 10% swing towards unity, compared with a March poll that saw both options record 50% when a caveat concerning a €9 billion annual subvention was added. The biggest increase involves males under 45, who show 72% support for a united Ireland, with women over 45 most sceptical on 56%.

https://www.irelandthinks.ie/single-post/2017/12/28/Support-for-a-united-Ireland-dramatically-increases
These wouldn't be the same pollsters who said Brexit would be defeated, Scottish independence would be passed, the tories would have a 20 point lead over labour in the last election and who guaranteed us president David Norris?
 

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Did anyone think it was free?

Anything worth having costs money
 

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If a United ireland led to better services (nhs, local authority), synergies in services, an increase in intra-Ireland trade, a new constitution, a stronger football team and ultimately saves everyone money would you vote in favour?
30% would still vote no, basically for bigoted reasons against them up there who are just trouble and fear of breaking up the established order here.
 

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NI would see a massive economic boom if unified under Dublin's pro-FDI rule.
 

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Did anyone think it was free?

Anything worth having costs money
Which is the sort of argument the more realistic brexiteers are resorting to.
 

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The Ireland Thinks survey shows a 10% swing towards unity, compared with a March poll that saw both options record 50% when a caveat concerning a €9 billion annual subvention was added. The biggest increase involves males under 45, who show 72% support for a united Ireland, with women over 45 most sceptical on 56%.

https://www.irelandthinks.ie/single-post/2017/12/28/Support-for-a-united-Ireland-dramatically-increases

Tell them the cost will be taken out of social welfare and see what the support is like.
 

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If a United ireland led to better services (nhs, local authority), synergies in services, an increase in intra-Ireland trade, a new constitution, a stronger football team and ultimately saves everyone money would you vote in favour?
30% would still vote no, basically for bigoted reasons against them up there who are just trouble and fear of breaking up the established order here.
The NHS isn't better - its just funded differently
 

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BTW, as things stand (under the GFA) would we in the RoI have a vote on the matter?

Or would this border poll be confined to the actual six counties themselves?
 

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Meh.

Meaningless as SF have signed up the unionist veto.. The one in the North wont pass.

Unionist veto continues.

Alliance and Unionists parties at 60% mean the Union is safe.
 

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Be a right laugh if the nationalist state voted down their core nationalist policy.

Imagine a scenario where NI votes for unity but ROI blocks it. Fun & games ensue.
 

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BTW, as things stand (under the GFA) would we in the RoI have a vote on the matter?

Or would this border poll be confined to the actual six counties themselves?
Yes - the Republic would also have to have a vote on the matter.

Unionists have through their agents in the Southern media been busy installing the idea that unity would make everyone's lives terrible.
 

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BTW, as things stand (under the GFA) would we in the RoI have a vote on the matter?

Or would this border poll be confined to the actual six counties themselves?
“Article 3

It is the firm will of the Irish Nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland, in all the diversity of their identities and traditions, recognising that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people, democratically expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island...”

ie referendums requiring (50%+1 of valid votes)x2
 

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The Ireland Thinks survey shows a 10% swing towards unity, compared with a March poll that saw both options record 50% when a caveat concerning a €9 billion annual subvention was added. The biggest increase involves males under 45, who show 72% support for a united Ireland, with women over 45 most sceptical on 56%.

https://www.irelandthinks.ie/single-post/2017/12/28/Support-for-a-united-Ireland-dramatically-increases
Its not going to cost anything like €9bn annually anyway
It only costs that much now because of British neglect of the place over decades
Once a UI comes about, the 6 counties will become much more prosperous and there is no reason why it should not match the prosperity of the South eventually
These kinds of surveys put in that €9bn dampener to influence a higher rejection rate
 

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“Article 3

It is the firm will of the Irish Nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland, in all the diversity of their identities and traditions, recognising that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people, democratically expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island...”

ie referendums requiring (50%+1 of valid votes)x2
That could be interpreted as the majority of the electorate. Big problem with the Irish Constitution, lots of fudgy language.
 

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Good progress. I’m sure FG will pay attention to the demos as well, there seems to be support for them to continue wrapping themselves in the green flag.

The question always matters though. 9 billion is the price, not the cost. It’s 20% of the tax take. A question of “would you accept a 20% cut to public services” or “would you accept a 10% hike in paye and 10% hike in Corp tax” for it to the same people would elicit a different response.

But the ROI’s not the problem. Once the north wants to join, we’ll vote (or ratify) to go long with it.
 

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The NHS isn't better - its just funded differently
You mean they don't get to throw money around like the HSE on directors salraies for chums of politicians ?

In that case it would be funded better.
 

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Its not going to cost anything like €9bn annually anyway
It only costs that much now because of British neglect of the place over decades
Once a UI comes about, the 6 counties will become much more prosperous and there is no reason why it should not match the prosperity of the South eventually
These kinds of surveys put in that €9bn dampener to influence a higher rejection rate
I suspect you're right on that.
 

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The whole thing is a ruse.

It is effectively a survey of a sample on the island living under empire 2.0 that they want those living in empire 1.0 to join them.

The Irish establishment are now a garrison for Brussels. And they are doing exactly what should be expect considering that they are "bought and paid".

We serve neither Liz Windsor nor Angela lardar5e.
 


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