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Buchaill Dana

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What's it about, then?

Is it about opposing national self-determination for Jews, while not opposing it for any other peoples on earth?

Is it about the steady stream of false claims against Israel, such as claims of genocide, or an "apartheid" like there was in SA, while at the same time encouraging a Palestinian culture where children are taught to hate the “Yehudis”?

Is it about the shrill, vindictive claims that Jews are colonisers and occupiers on land where Jews have lived and have had to fight for survival for 3000 years?

Is it about the support and encouragement of the destructive, duplicitous, Palestinian refugee system whereby it is planned to bring all Palestinian so-called refugees in to erase the Jewish majority and transform Israel into an Arab state?

Is it about calling Israel by terms such as the “Zionist Entity” in an attempt to erase 3000 years of history and replace it with a new conveniently invented Arab Palestine?

Is it about the double standards consistently applied to Israel?

Is it about rewriting history in order to justify hatred and demonisation of the Jewish state?

Is it about aiming to shun a whole nation and strip it of its existence?

Without a doubt, on this forum at least, most so called "anti-Israel" contributors typically shall we say "enhance" their anti-Israel political stance by one or more or all of the above.

So what's it about then?

I have to say it seems to me like attacking Israel has become a de facto substitute for attacking Jews in today's post-Holocaust paradigm.

I personally struggle to explain the viciousness and one-sided views I read on here as anything other than a new form of anti-semitism.

Maybe that's just me. At least, in Ireland, it seems like there must be something wrong with me, to see things so.
Its about people of good concience using their walleys to not support state behavious they find repugnant. Was very successful against South Africa despite similarly hysterical objections.
 

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Its about people of good concience using their walleys to not support state behavious they find repugnant. Was very successful against South Africa despite similarly hysterical objections.
It looked good and people felt good about themselves but it wasn't until the place threatened to descend into total violence and America decided they'd seen enough that the regime gave in. Not buying grapes had no effect whatsoever beyond an expression of solidarity.
 

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It looked good and people felt good about themselves but it wasn't until the place threatened to descend into total violence and America decided they'd seen enough that the regime gave in. Not buying grapes had no effect whatsoever beyond an expression of solidarity.
So whats the problem?
 

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Its about people of good concience using their walleys to not support state behavious they find repugnant. Was very successful against South Africa despite similarly hysterical objections.
Remember we discussed on here before how the apartheid smear against the Israelis was supposed to be taken up uncritically, to delegitimise the Israeli state and provide a moral reason to force the end of its existence, the same way as SA was. Your response was:

I didnt mention SA. You like your strawmans, dont you.
You made this response after you were faced with the facts of Why Israel Is Nothing Like Apartheid South Africa - NYT / Israel and the Apartheid Slander - NYT etc.

But yet you come back on here again, blithely talking about how "people of good conscience" should ignore those facts, and instead take up what the antisemitic leadership of BDS has advocated:

"... We hope that in 10, 20 years the public will just take for granted the premises that Israel is an Apartheid state, and then we can move from there...”.

In other words, less of the facts please, more of the slogans. - And that's supposed to be your "good conscience".

The situations are entirely different, but you put your fingers in your ears and sing la la la when anyone tries to show you why. Because you hope that in the same way that the Nazi regime or the South African apartheid regime had no right to exist, you hope Israel one day will cease to exist.

Btw, fyi, here is what just a couple of Palestinian Arabs have to say on the matter:


[video=youtube;SHPSdBztS98]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHPSdBztS98[/video]

[video=youtube;n0TznaxiVdI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0TznaxiVdI[/video]
(talking about the reality of "apartheid" in Israel).​


And a little bit of the history that forms the background to this "good conscience" of yours - The 1975 Resolution: The Rise, Fall, and Resurgence of a Libel
 

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So whats the problem?
The problem is that the violence in Israel/Gaza/West Bank is " managed ". ie low level. And the real threat comes from Iran's proxy Hezbollah. There's no realistic chance of anyone stepping in on their side as far as I can see. BDS is merely an irritant in a situation like this.
 

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The situation in Israel/Palestine has some superficial similarities to that of Apartheid South Africa but when you actually look into you are looking at something radically different. For one thing that South African regime was clueless when it came to propaganda was blundering to an extreme while as Zionism has had a very well oiled propaganda machine going back to the late 19 th century. The thing is that people who lived through Apartheid in South Africa and opposed when they have had a serious look have at what is going on in Israel/Palestine say it is much worse than Apartheid. The thing is that for most Israelis and the "deeply committed" Jews who support Israel in other countries there are no ethical as such concerns when it comes to the Palestinians but there are concerns about Chillul Hashem, or in other words giving Jews a bad name among non-Jews in other countries, though with Israeli Jews themselves this is becoming less and less a concern with the passage of time which has had the effect of making their Jewish supporters outside of Israel/Palestine more and more hysterically attempting to silence any criticism.
 

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The problem is that the violence in Israel/Gaza/West Bank is " managed ". ie low level. And the real threat comes from Iran's proxy Hezbollah. There's no realistic chance of anyone stepping in on their side as far as I can see. BDS is merely an irritant in a situation like this.
As it was in Soweto. Again, whats the problem?
 

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How anyone and be pro murder and support a nation hell bent on obliteration of its neighbors is beyond me
There aren't a lot of countries in the Middle East that aren't hell bent on the obliteration of someone or other, and Israel is on quite a few hit lists.
 

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I'd suppose that there are many dark-skinned ones who would love to see apartheid return to South Africa. Giving power to the ANC has obviously failed and their supporters will be desperate for food aid from the West within ten years.
 

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That post was meant for the frier Goyim on this forum rather than myself. Mr or Ms Simurgh is well aware that I am not some narish Kopf. Anyway the only thing quoted that I would take issue with is this-“[Jews] did not suffer in Arab countries. There were no pogroms. There was no persecution.”​ Now anti-Jewish in the Muslim world compared to that of Christian Europe was virtually non-existent however saying that and saying that there were never any pogroms is a whole different thing. Pogroms while extremely rare did happen occasionally. Saying also that there was no persecution is also untrue, while again a rarity it did at times happen. For instance there was a period in Muslim Spain of all places where the Muslim rulers did lean heavily on the Jews however this period also saw the blossoming of Karaism among Jews there and so what did the Rabbis do when they regained their previous power and influence? The murdered quite a numerous bunch of Karaites. So it could be argued that in times of persecution your average Jew in the Islamic world was actually freer than he was at other times.
Go away you bigot.

Not if they're zionazis, it's our duty to wipe them out.
Well at least you are upfront in your anti-Semitism.
 

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As somebody wrote recently, in Israel anti-semitism tunnels under your house.
In Northern Israel, Hezbollah dug several from Lebanon - while UNIFIL arse holes
( including the Irish Army ) saw nothing, and reported 'no activity'....:rolleyes2:
 

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utter bol***x
So wanting to wipe Jews off the face of the earth isn't anti-Semitism? Have I read you right?

In Northern Israel, Hezbollah dug several from Lebanon - while UNIFIL arse holes
( including the Irish Army ) saw nothing, and reported 'no activity'....:rolleyes2:
The UNIFIL troops have been threatened by Hizbollah. They are too few and have too opague a mandate to do anything.
 

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The UNIFIL troops have been threatened by Hizbollah. They are too few and have too opague a mandate to do anything.
And how do you know this?
 

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And how do you know this?
It was mentioned on the RTE news a couple of years ago. They called in an Irish officer for a meeting and told him what went on was none of UNIFIL's business.
 

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The Real Reason Critics Call BDS Anti-Semitic – The Forward

Also...are zionist trolls for or against the anti semitism and the fascism of Netanyahu?


Israel strengthens its ties with the West's far right.

So Netanyahu has courted new friends. These include Orban and Salvini, two European leaders who represent a hardening nationalist axis on the Continent and have vowed political warfare against its liberal establishment.
At home, Orban has been criticised for hailing Nazi collaborators and embracing anti-Semitic dog whistles in his campaigning; Salvini is coy about Italy's fascist past and in his tweets recently nodded to the late dictator Benito Mussolini - who presided over the decimation of Italy's Jewish population. Both grandstand over the threat of immigration, particularly the entry of Muslims, whom they openly view as a cultural menace.

In Netanyahu's Israel, they have found a curiously kindred spirit.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-...13-p50lzp.html
 

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Israel strengthens its ties with the West's far right.

So Netanyahu has courted new friends. These include Orban and Salvini, two European leaders who represent a hardening nationalist axis on the Continent and have vowed political warfare against its liberal establishment.
At home, Orban has been criticised for hailing Nazi collaborators and embracing anti-Semitic dog whistles in his campaigning; Salvini is coy about Italy's fascist past and in his tweets recently nodded to the late dictator Benito Mussolini - who presided over the decimation of Italy's Jewish population. Both grandstand over the threat of immigration, particularly the entry of Muslims, whom they openly view as a cultural menace.

In Netanyahu's Israel, they have found a curiously kindred spirit.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-...13-p50lzp.html


It's not that curious. Bibi's Likud started off with the Lehi group who proposed an alliance with the nazis in 1941.
 
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