New report confirms consultants shafted new entrants

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New report today makes for interesting reading.

Confirmation that the established consultants " took care of their own" and threw new entrants under a bus. Whats interesting is the criticism of the IMO and Irish hospital consultants association.

Rather than whining to the media should new entrants be directing their ire at their senior colleagues and representative body?

"the focus of the medical unions – the IMO and the Irish Hospital Consultants’ Association – “remained on the welfare of those appointed before October 1st, 2012, rather than the welfare of potential future consultants”, she said. “There was little evidence that the unions were vocal in their disagreement with the new entrant salary reduction."

 
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New report today makes for interesting reading.

Confirmation that the established consultants " took care of their own" and threw new entrants under a bus. Whats interesting is the criticism of the IMO and Irish hospital consultants association.

Rather than whining to the media should new entrants be directing their ire at their senior colleagues and representative body?

"the focus of the medical unions – the IMO and the Irish Hospital Consultants’ Association – “remained on the welfare of those appointed before October 1st, 2012, rather than the welfare of potential future consultants”, she said. “There was little evidence that the unions were vocal in their disagreement with the new entrant salary reduction."
"she said."

Who is "She" and where did she say it?
 

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LOL, well we know the longstanding consultants dont give a toss about entrants given they and their representative body shafted them to protect their own interests

Are you suggesting they now give a sh*t about new entrants? When did they change their mind on this!
 

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Few things are more demoralizing than being paid less than colleagues for the same work. Younger consultants tend to be the ones who are more up to date with new research. They are also, on average, more energetic. It was a very short-sighted move and, tellingly, it rarely comes up in my conversations with older consultants over there.
 

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LOL, well we know the longstanding consultants dont give a toss about entrants given they and their representative body shafted them to protect their own interests

Are you suggesting they now give a sh*t about new entrants? When did they change their mind on this!
Asked you for a link and you could not provide it, you clearly have a serious begrudgery against consultants.
 

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Few things are more demoralizing than being paid less than colleagues for the same work. Younger consultants tend to be the ones who are more up to date with new research. They are also, on average, more energetic. It was a very short-sighted move and, tellingly, it rarely comes up in my conversations with older consultants over there.
It was never agreed to by consultants, perhaps if you read Dr. Kiernan's report, it actually gives a great timeline as to what happened , although it does not go too much into the part played by Howlin and Shorthall- who forced it through.
 

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Asked you for a link and you could not provide it, you clearly have a serious begrudgery against consultants.
Opening post provides a link confirming long standing consultants shafted new entrants in order to protect their own salaries. Obvioisly you are finding it hard to accept that.

We know you would profit personally from payrises. I have a problem with paying top saries for a 3rd rate service in any industry. Salaries are lower in most of the EU where services are vastly superior. I'm very much in favour of paying high salaries where world leading profits are made in the private sector or world leading services are provided in the public sector. The irish health service is a long way from world leading!
 
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It was never agreed to by consultants, perhaps if you read Dr. Kiernan's report, it actually gives a great timeline as to what happened , although it does not go too much into the part played by Howlin and Shorthall- who forced it through.
With the full support of your representative bodies and its members.
 

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Few things are more demoralizing than being paid less than colleagues for the same work. Younger consultants tend to be the ones who are more up to date with new research. They are also, on average, more energetic. It was a very short-sighted move and, tellingly, it rarely comes up in my conversations with older consultants over there.

Yes must be demoralising working with your senior colleagues and representative body knowing they shafted you to protect their own interests.

Could the senior consultants take a pay cut to address it?! Perhaps they could reallocate their salaries to their junior colleagues to make up for their betrayal.
 
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LOL, well we know the longstanding consultants dont give a toss about entrants given they and their representative body shafted them to protect their own interests

Are you suggesting they now give a sh*t about new entrants? When did they change their mind on this!
 

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It

" it can be argued" hardly definitive now is it! Look we all would like a payrise, will increasing consultants pay improve services for patients?

No it will make almost no difference. Until a proper single tier health service is implemented along with major structural reform including the closure of a number of small hospitals our public health service will remain 3rd rate.

Personally i dont use the Irish public hospitals any more as they are inefficient , dirty and the standard of customer service is quite frankly appalingly. Given the appaling standard of service provided consultants are in fact overpaid. The govt will probably capitulate and increase their pay but it wont make a blind bit of difference to services.
 

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OP mate. Read it , i'm not some inadequately vetted trainee doctor here to wipe your ass for you so you can concentrate on maximising private income.
 
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Could not find the bit that said "full support" Maybe you made it up?
 


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