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New schools in your area...while the established schools crumble!!


spidermom

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Was hoping for some feedback really.

Live in Dublin South West and as such have a variety of schools to choose from( at second level)

Have been involved in all the parents associations....(4 kids) and therefore 4 different schools.Junior primary,senior primary and two different secondary schools. Am very active in the local community generally.

The secondary schools have been on waiting lists for a new build for a long number of years now!!
AND yet I see money being spent on schools with "links" to the GAA....primary schools being fast tracked because they fall under the Educate together or Gael Scoil....and yet one secondary school has been "parked" yet again on the list for a new build(2nd time around!!)....!!

This all girls secondary school has a large number of different religions which attend.It is a catholic school but empowers all students to achieve and has got really positive feedback from the dept and from parents!!

It is more through hope than wood that the windows are still in place!!...The science lab wouldn't be found in any other school in this area and the Home Ec room is like something in your Great Grannys house!!!!!!

Is there an agenda involved?
Ensure more choice...though we have not been part of the "parental choice survey" in the Dept of Ed and Science??

Is there an agenda at play here??

Positive discrimination some would say!....or should be those who are their longest deserve their reward??


Any examples from your area??
 

Disillusioned democrat

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The government does seem to have kicked off a lot of building projects recently, odd given we're broke, but certainly in keeping with the "myth" that all successive Irish governments believe tax payers money is something they can use to buy support from big business.
 

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I'd say not not a million miles off the mark with your question " is there an agenda here"? New development in monaghan - plc + Irish secondary + Vec run multi denom primary school. All state of the art. Is actually out of scale with existing development.

Meanwhile two very well known long established schools in town St. Louis and st. Macartans in need of major upgrades but I'd guess they will be waiting a while
 

spidermom

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My daughters ex secondary school got a few bob in "emergency" summer funds!!!...as a sop!!(me thinks)...

The "new school" was promised(?) when she was in 1st yr...she did her leaving this time last year!!...and now its been long armed!!......

GRRRRrrrrrrr!!
 

R3volution_R3ady

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As long as we have a system where teachers get paid regardless of whether or not they're doing a good job, the worse we'll fall into the abyss.
 

spidermom

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Errrrr???

This us about new school builds where teachers have not been evaluated as yet!


I suggest you find a PS bashing thread Revolution!!! :-(
 

eoghanacht

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I want a secular secondary school to be built by the time my eight old son requires it.

I also realise a trip to the moon is more probable.
 

eoghanacht

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I'd say not not a million miles off the mark with your question " is there an agenda here"? New development in monaghan - plc + Irish secondary + Vec run multi denom primary school. All state of the art. Is actually out of scale with existing development.

Meanwhile two very well known long established schools in town St. Louis and st. Macartans in need of major upgrades but I'd guess they will be waiting a while

RCC schools?

Let them pay for it.
 

'orebel

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I want a secular secondary school to be built by the time my eight old son requires it.

I also realise a trip to the moon is more probable.
I'd be surprised if it was built by the time his kids require it - more's the pity.
 

eoghanacht

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drummed

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Have we heard Mickey Hartes opinion on this yet?????? I think we should hold off till its in.
 

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I'd be surprised if it was built by the time his kids require it - more's the pity.
Maybe not. If Spidermom is right, then we'll see a rebalancing of the schools system in the years ahead, away from the Catholic Church's current dominance it. Such a transition would be messy, but, given the massive autonomy that constitutional property rights grant to whomever owns the school and the way those rights have been exercised by the Church, maybe it's a price that should be paid for the sakes of future generations of children and employees?
 

eoghanacht

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Maybe not. If Spidermom is right, then we'll see a rebalancing of the schools system in the years ahead, away from the Catholic Church's current dominance it. Such a transition would be messy, but, given the massive autonomy that constitutional property rights grant to whomever owns the school and the way those rights have been exercised by the Church, maybe it's a price that should be paid for the sakes of future generations of children and employees?

Wot he said.
 

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Ho Chi Quinn's agenda is simple, educate together or Gaelscoil without the CC involvement will get priority not just in new buidlings but facilities. Ask any secondary teacher.FFS it is the worst kept secret in education.

Labours agenda is 100% to undermine Christianity little by little, the latest opinion polls show people are not stupid and know what they are up to. The CC have no manpower anyway but the applications for CC schools from the UK to the East Coast in America tells a different story.

Quinn has also preferred that History is not taught (Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Tony Blair) all great socialists that just fooked up everything on a massive scale.funny that?

IN the rush for secularism the excellent CC schools may be sidelined in preference to social engineering by latte liberals in the Labour party. In the majority of cases the CC schools are very accommodating to many faiths. The gimps in the Labour party just want to burn everything that the CC has a foot in.

We all know that attending a CC school is not brainwashing or anything like it, it is pretty easy compared to the Islamic schools which Labour welcomed in Dublin north recently, the hypocrisy of Labour is just simply staggering.

The French socialists are trying to ban homework as it gives hardworking students an advantage over the others, if you can think for yourself then like most normal parents you will not rely on the state to fully educate your children, you will spend time doing their homework with them and asking them what they learned in school that day plus teaching them more about the subject they are learning. I had to recently correct my kids approach to maths as the teacher was just acting the maggot. If anyone thinks the state can educate your kids better than you then better wake up.

Do not dismiss CC schools because of your politics, your children's education is more important than that. Would you hire Ivanna to defend you ? or Gilmore as a character reference? FFS you would be off your rocker to let these people near you or your family.
 

eoghanacht

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Amazing how the little old Irish Labour party have managed to do what Martin Luther, countless European Monarchs and the Devil himself couldn't manage..

The destruction of the RCC and here we were thinking we couldn't manage a p!ss up in a brewery.
 

drummed

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Ho Chi Quinn's agenda is simple, educate together or Gaelscoil without the CC involvement will get priority not just in new buidlings but facilities. Ask any secondary teacher.FFS it is the worst kept secret in education.

Labours agenda is 100% to undermine Christianity little by little, the latest opinion polls show people are not stupid and know what they are up to. The CC have no manpower anyway but the applications for CC schools from the UK to the East Coast in America tells a different story.

Quinn has also preferred that History is not taught (Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Tony Blair) all great socialists that just fooked up everything on a massive scale.funny that?

IN the rush for secularism the excellent CC schools may be sidelined in preference to social engineering by latte liberals in the Labour party. In the majority of cases the CC schools are very accommodating to many faiths. The gimps in the Labour party just want to burn everything that the CC has a foot in.

We all know that attending a CC school is not brainwashing or anything like it, it is pretty easy compared to the Islamic schools which Labour welcomed in Dublin north recently, the hypocrisy of Labour is just simply staggering.

The French socialists are trying to ban homework as it gives hardworking students an advantage over the others, if you can think for yourself then like most normal parents you will not rely on the state to fully educate your children, you will spend time doing their homework with them and asking them what they learned in school that day plus teaching them more about the subject they are learning. I had to recently correct my kids approach to maths as the teacher was just acting the maggot. If anyone thinks the state can educate your kids better than you then better wake up.

Do not dismiss CC schools because of your politics, your children's education is more important than that. Would you hire Ivanna to defend you ? or Gilmore as a character reference? FFS you would be off your rocker to let these people near you or your family.
Epic post man! Where did you go to school yourself? Did you keep the receipts?
 

APettigrew92

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In Dublin 7 this has been an issue for about a decade.

I went to Primary School in Phibsborough, which has St. Peter's NS. Despite being in Bertie's constituency throughout the boom, it took until three years ago to be brought up to code. I remember we had to go home once due to the heating failing. Absolutely embarrassing for a "First World Nation."

There is also a Gaelscoil, Gaelscoil Barra, which has been in prefabs for the last 20 years or so. Meanwhile down the road another Educate Together has been built, but for what purpose? The local secondary schools, especially St. Dominic's on the Navan Road, have large Middle East/African students and integration isn't too much of an issue.

I think that certain schools suffer from Political Negligence and other maladies. Same way our beloved Minister for Health speeds his own undeserving communities up the line for health services over those that need it.

If your constituency is politically insignificant, then chances are you won't be receiving that much needed help.

Just another subtle way of strongarming you into voting for FF/FG.
 

Eric Cartman

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RCC schools?

Let them pay for it.
Hey pal, how about this:

All the Catholic parents take their share of the capitation fee money (consider it a "voucher"), and choose which school they desire. No doubt some will want "Educate Together" or whatever.

But I am pretty sure enough will choose established Catholic schools.

Let the atheist/agnostic, Muslim, Protestant or whatever take their capitation fees to the Educate Together schools.

Let the money follow the parent/pupil.

Now, lefties have a dirty little secret: demand for alternative schools is rather weaker than the shrill media commentators would suggest, as evidenced by the recent returns for Reichsminister Quinn's tedious surveys (something like 4% of parents choose alternative schools). Given a choice, the Educate Together schools wouldn't fare particularly well.

Let my money go to Catholic schools, let yours go to Educate Together. Fair dinkum?
 

seanmacc

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RCC schools?

Let them pay for it.
Like that's going to happen when they have to pay for things like child abuse, Magdeline Laundry slavery and the maintenence of white elephant churches that lie empty every Sunday.

Now if the Vatican gave them a bailout by selling a few art works that haven't seen the light of day in hundreds of years or put some of their gold on the market they may get somewhere. Not likely though is it?
 

seanmoylantd

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Amazing isn't it , how Ruairi Quinn , ex chairman of Holocaust Education Ireland , can't find money to facilitate Travelers and Special Needs in mainstream education , but can find money to build secular infrastructure ? With lots of lovely starry flower beds , filled with yellow blossoms one presumes ?
 
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