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New website cataloguing data on British Slave-owners


Ronanr

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University College London has started a project looking at the legacies of British slavery.

They have digitised the records of the people who were compensated by the British government in 1833, when slaves in the British empire were freed, showing who shared in the £20 million pay-out to slaveholding families, and begun the process of identifying the men and women who profited.

They are also looking at what they did with the money.

They have just unveiled the associated website:Legacies of British Slave-ownership

You can do a search on the data under various categories, such as names, addresses etc. For instance, if you do a search for "Dublin", you get the names of 38 individuals resident in Dublin at the time who claimed compensation.

UCL look at the legacies under a number of headings, such as commercial, cultural and political. For example, they examine how a lot of the compensated slaveholders invested some of their money in the then beginning British railway network, interesting to see how the capital derived from the labour of the slaves in the colonies is so directly related to that process.

Also, it is illuminating to see how many in the political class benefitted.

Worth a look.
 

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I read somewhere the British govt. spent more compensating slave owners than they spent on ameliorating the Irish famine.
 

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Magdalene Gulags

I read somewhere the British govt. spent more compensating slave owners than they spent on ameliorating the Irish famine.
I wonder how much compensation the Irish Government and religious orders will pay to the freed slaves of the Magdalene gulags?
 

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what about the slave owners who are not irish or british but a distinct and separate ethnic group within society.
 

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I wonder will the African countries compile a database of the various tribes who profited from selling others into slavery.
 

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University College London has started a project looking at the legacies of British slavery.

They have digitised the records of the people who were compensated by the British government in 1833, when slaves in the British empire were freed, showing who shared in the £20 million pay-out to slaveholding families, and begun the process of identifying the men and women who profited.

They are also looking at what they did with the money.

They have just unveiled the associated website:Legacies of British Slave-ownership

You can do a search on the data under various categories, such as names, addresses etc. For instance, if you do a search for "Dublin", you get the names of 38 individuals resident in Dublin at the time who claimed compensation.

UCL look at the legacies under a number of headings, such as commercial, cultural and political. For example, they examine how a lot of the compensated slaveholders invested some of their money in the then beginning British railway network, interesting to see how the capital derived from the labour of the slaves in the colonies is so directly related to that process.

Also, it is illuminating to see how many in the political class benefitted.

Worth a look.
Surprised to see claiments from Dublin

I presume there are others in the rest of Ireland too

Looks like not all were successful in their claims though

One wonders what the criteria was to get the 'Compo'?
 

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Irish Slave Owners

Surprised to see claiments from Dublin

I presume there are others in the rest of Ireland too

Looks like not all were successful in their claims though

One wonders what the criteria was to get the 'Compo'?
Why are you surprised? We were part of the Empire. Do you think we hold some moral high ground when it comes to exploiting people?
 

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Surprised to see claiments from Dublin

I presume there are others in the rest of Ireland too

Looks like not all were successful in their claims though

One wonders what the criteria was to get the 'Compo'?
Had a brief look, quite a lot of claimants from many counties in Ireland. Had a look a few of the unsuccessful claims, seems that compensation had already been paid to someone else for the "property" they were claiming for, other members of the family, etc.
 

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Why are you surprised? We were part of the Empire. Do you think we hold some moral high ground when it comes to exploiting people?
Well its because we were not a huge trading City with the WE - unlike say cities like Liverpool, London or Bristol etc

Though I guess your right - human greed recognizes no frontiers...:?

This database opens up a whole new field of study for Irish Historians though

Will EK now issue apologies for this too and set up a Compo board for the descendants of the slaves?

Would not put it past him!:roll:
 

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Had a brief look, quite a lot of claimants from many counties in Ireland. Had a look a few of the unsuccessful claims, seems that compensation had already been paid to someone else for the "property" they were claiming for, other members of the family, etc.
Bleedin chancers!:cool:
 

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Had a brief look, quite a lot of claimants from many counties in Ireland. Had a look a few of the unsuccessful claims, seems that compensation had already been paid to someone else for the "property" they were claiming for, other members of the family, etc.
Compared to the rest of the UK, Ireland seems to have had a very large proportion of unsuccessful claims. One would have to look more closely at the list to know whether this was because they more likely to have "contested" claims (i.e. people chancing their arm), or whether it was that a larger proportion of them seemed to have mortgaged their slaves and West Indian estates (in those case it seems whoever owned the mortgage got the compensation).

Before Catalpa dies of embarrassment on behalf of the Irish race, it is worth pointing out that, going by the surnames at least, the people the list seem to have been typical of the Anglo-Irish landlord class of the time, who had as much property and interests in Britain as Ireland.
 

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I'm surprised no one seems to think it worthwhile to compile a list of those countries who still openly allow slavery.
 

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Compared to the rest of the UK, Ireland seems to have had a very large proportion of unsuccessful claims. One would have to look more closely at the list to know whether this was because they more likely to have "contested" claims (i.e. people chancing their arm), or whether it was that a larger proportion of them seemed to have mortgaged their slaves and West Indian estates (in those case it seems whoever owned the mortgage got the compensation).

Before Catalpa dies of embarrassment on behalf of the Irish race, it is worth pointing out that, going by the surnames at least, the people the list seem to have been typical of the Anglo-Irish landlord class of the time, who had as much property and interests in Britain as Ireland.
Fair sprinkling of "native" Irish names as well, at least one O'Connor.
 

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Compared to the rest of the UK, Ireland seems to have had a very large proportion of unsuccessful claims. One would have to look more closely at the list to know whether this was because they more likely to have "contested" claims (i.e. people chancing their arm), or whether it was that a larger proportion of them seemed to have mortgaged their slaves and West Indian estates (in those case it seems whoever owned the mortgage got the compensation).

Before Catalpa dies of embarrassment on behalf of the Irish race, it is worth pointing out that, going by the surnames at least, the people the list seem to have been typical of the Anglo-Irish landlord class of the time, who had as much property and interests in Britain as Ireland.
Most - but not all

Though I would say there were not many Catholics among them
 

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Says John Jameson was a Free-Mason also.


Harcourt Lees was a Irish Protestant clergyman and anti-Catholic pamphleteer.

Also found a Bruton in there, a Samuel Bruton, wonder if they are any relation given the Brutons are a planter family.
 
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