NI. What went wrong?

Niall996

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I sort of stumbled accidentally on some old videos recently of the Queen in Ireland.

It reminded me of the spirit of the times, a feeling of mutual respect, a recognition of history, a shared acknowledgement of each other unique national identity, a positive reboot of the relationhsip between Ireland and Britain. I happen to live in London and my world is enriched by numerous everyday Londoners of all backgrounds, often Irish, Scottish etc (In London if you're from Ni or ROI you're Irish, full stop). But most of all ordinary everyday West Ham supporters and a shrinking of Arsenal supporters, a few Tottenham types, and the odd Fulham oddity.

Here's a reminder of where we were as two neighbouring yet intertwined nations. The past was it was. The future encouraging.

Queens speech Dublin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKz-6vn_i00

Standing ovation for the Queen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anFrTmr9ilA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COVcOlJBppw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFm2R7uEZGc

Higgins to the British Parliament.

(nice intro speech by the British bloke and I do see Higgins as a bit of a flowery pseudo poetic chancer!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGVbkOwvAVY


But since then, something has gone wrong. From my perspective, the likes of extremist West Brits like Ruth Dudley Edwards and Eoghan Harris, extremists like the DUP (whatever happened to Paisley Jnr) and from the other side, whoever they would submit, have somehow driven a deeper tribal divide. Somehow, in NI today, it seems if anything we're heading more and more towards a return to the dark old days. Bitter olarisation seems stronger than ever.

What feels intuitive to me on the contrary, having watched an Olympics in London infused with an Irish influence, having being immersed in an arts and culture movement within the modern Cool Britannia movement driven by Irish artists, having lived and worked and socialised with British people for several years, the cultural friendship between the Irish and the British (based on mutual respect and recognition) has never been stronger.

I don't hold modern British citizens culpable for historic evils inflicted on Ireland. But I expect them them to acknowledge them. That is all. And in general they do.

But there us one thing outstanding. NI Unionists continue to be backward focussed, bitter, entrenched, isolated, beligerent, derisory towards Irish culture, religiously backward and generally unable to move forwards. But maybe I see it that way because I'm missing something.

So the question is, why has it gone so wrong? Why are tribal differences becoming even more entrenched? Why is the argument rambling on endlessly? Why are the poles widening?

Are the Protestants of NI to be the first group ever the refuse to accept post conflict resolution, post conflict equality and a post conflict ascent to a new state of being? How can something as idealistic and reconciliationary as the GFA be under so much threat years later?

An extraordinary history no doubt but who is really holding back the forward advance?
 
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Where did it go wrong?

1. The failure of the FG government, particularly Enda Kenny and Charlie Flanagan. to take a serious role in the North and force the British to uphold the Good Friday and St. Andrew's Agreements?
2. The insular, self interest of the Unionist, partitionist Southern political and media Establishment who were prepared to sacrifice stability in the North to constantly attack Sinn Fein for myopic, self serving 26 county interests.
3. Brexit.
4. The sinister Little Englander Tory & 1690 DUP coalition which wants to take us back to Famine times and demonstrate to Paddy Irishman that he/she are just Fenian Boggers who need the Yeomanry/gunboats/SAS to sort them out.
 

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Where did it go wrong?

1. The failure of the FG government, particularly Enda Kenny and Charlie Flanagan. to take a serious role in the North and force the British to uphold the Good Friday and St. Andrew's Agreements?
2. The insular, self interest of the Unionist, partitionist Southern political and media Establishment who were prepared to sacrifice stability in the North to constantly attack Sinn Fein for myopic, self serving 26 county interests.
3. Brexit.
4. The sinister Little Englander Tory & 1690 DUP coalition which wants to take us back to Famine times and demonstrate to Paddy Irishman that he/she are just Fenian Boggers who need the Yeomanry/gunboats/SAS to sort them out.
An opportunity missed! But in reality, I don't think we could have asked more of the Queen.
 
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Speaking of the Queen, btw, what is her title, Queen of England or Queen of Britain?
 

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An opportunity missed! But in reality, I don't thing we could have asked more of the Queen.
Well to be fair the Germans when they want can be pragmatic and realistic so yes Mrs Saxe-Coburg Gotha has played a role in trying to move the North on.
 

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Lol bring on the 100th celebrations....
 

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Evening Mr Bruton. Has the tongue infection cleared up yet?
 

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Select from: Brits / Unionists / Orange Order/ Protestants and then slabber like fūck.
 

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An opportunity missed! But in reality, I don't thing we could have asked more of the Queen.
In fairness many of us didn't buy into the bullshyte 'new maturity' of the Irish perpetuated by the media towards the UK.

In my view, it was an attempt to rewrite history and to put the past aside under this revised history.

My thinking has been proved right and Brexit will prove there's no maturity from the UK towards Ireland.
 

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It's not very polarised on the ground. It's just politicos talking shyte. No one really cares.
 

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In fairness many of us didn't buy into the bullshyte 'new maturity' of the Irish perpetuated by the media towards the UK.

In my view, it was an attempt to rewrite history and to put the past aside under this revised history.

My thinking has been proved right and Brexit will prove there's no maturity from the UK towards Ireland.
Why should the UK remain in the EU because doing so would further the interests of the ROI? Why are you Eire people so arrogant?
 

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It's not very polarised on the ground. It's just politicos talking shyte. No one really cares.
Well the politicos are certainly painting a picture of ever more intense divisiveness in NI. The Sindo are still banging on about SF/IRA as if the troubles were still raging on. PUL's still Po-faced, vitriolic, still ranting about mediocre issues. More people from England visit Ireland every year than people from NI. I'm not seeing the normalisation of relations between Britain and Ireland having any impact on the relationship between NI and ROI.
 

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Well the politicos are certainly painting a picture of ever more intense divisiveness in NI. The Sindo are still banging on about SF/IRA as if the troubles were still raging on. PUL's still Po-faced, vitriolic, still ranting about mediocre issues. More people from England visit Ireland every year than people from NI. I'm not seeing the normalisation of relations between Britain and Ireland having any impact on the relationship between NI and ROI.
Wtf? Lmfao... Moi wonders why more people from England visit France than the number from Wales...
 

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Speaking of the Queen, btw, what is her title, Queen of England or Queen of Britain?
or 'Queen of Britain & NI' ?.

in Irish, she's always referred to as 'Banríon Shasana' -
that is 'Queen of England'.
 

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I was wondering about Ian Paisley JR myself. He pops up in the background now and again. Obviously been marginalised by the swivel eyed brigade for not being "staunch" enough.
 

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what went wrong ?

the Reverend Ian left us. Arlene got her hands on the steering wheel.

she is a 1970's dinosaur.
 

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It's not very polarised on the ground. It's just politicos talking shyte. No one really cares.
why do people keep voting for these belligerent gobshy..tes then ?
 

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what went wrong ?

the Reverend Ian left us. Arlene got her hands on the steering wheel.

she is a 1970's dinosaur.
So ironically, the Paisleys are looking like moderates compared to this new generation.
 


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