No Climate Emergency say 500 Scientists to UN



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GISS measures the change in global surface temperatures relative to average temperatures from 1951 to 1980. GISS data show global average temperatures in 2017 rose 1.62 degrees Fahrenheit (0.9 degrees Celsius) above the 1951-1980 mean. According to GISS, the global mean surface air temperature for that period was estimated to be 57 F (14 C). That would put the planet's average surface temperature in 2017 at 58.62 F (14.9 C).

They are quite specific - today the 1950 - 1980 mean was 57F, back in the 1980's the mean was 59F.
So you should get a better idea of man made global warming. It's man made on paper.
 
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Nobody has addressed your point because it is un-addressable. Alarmists are out to lunch. I do not know if we have any on this thread.

I also asked if anyone believes the science is settled with respect to the impact of human generated CO2 on climate. No answers either.

So one could conclude that no-one on this thread is an alarmist and nobody believes the science is settled.

So, one could conclude there must be other reasons for arguing for "climate action" that have nothing to do with climate.

One can only guess at what those other reasons are. But if you listened to Paul Murphy on the radio this morning, you would know one of his reasons is the destruction of capitalism. He see capitalism enshrined in the fossil fuel industry. Somehow, he convinces himself that the wind/solar industry will end up with a socialist outlook. I don't get it.
 

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So, one could conclude there must be other reasons for arguing for "climate action" that have nothing to do with climate.

One can only guess at what those other reasons are. But if you listened to Paul Murphy on the radio this morning, you would know one of his reasons is the destruction of capitalism. He see capitalism enshrined in the fossil fuel industry. Somehow, he convinces himself that the wind/solar industry will end up with a socialist outlook. I don't get it.
Allow me to suggest other reasons:


We are dealing with complete frauds and batsh!t crazy fruitloops. Our resident alarmists are right at home in that company! :cool:
 

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Allow me to suggest other reasons:


We are dealing with complete frauds and batsh!t crazy fruitloops. Our resident alarmists are right at home in that company! :cool:
Nice sentiments. She wants to create heaven on earth.

It reminds me of the theory that the absence of organised religion in the west is leaving gaps for other (incredibly immature) belief systems to move in and encourage people to be good citizens. Organised religion had you believe that hell fire awaits you if you are not behaving as expected.

Capitalism incentivises certain behaviors, mostly good in my view but obviously there are weaknesses in the incentives scheme also. These hippies look on the imperfections of capitalist incentives but they do not seem to suggest any alternative incentives that are better. Like organised religions, theirs is the stick approach rather than the carrot approach. The awful prospect of "extinction" is replacing the awful prospect "hellfire" if you don't behave properly. Some people believe in hellfire as a possibility and some people believe in self driven extinction as a possibility. Fair enough.

The crucial difference is that by changing ones own behaviour, a religious person could convince themselves that they would avoid the hellfire. With the self-driven extinction possibility, it is not enough to changes one's own behavior. You must change everyone's behavior to avoid your own extinction. You can see what needs to happen to make this all work out :)
 

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There is actually something quite chilling about Extinction Rebellion, says Brendan O'Neill. If society were to cave in to their demented demands, humankind would be propelled into the most devastating form of austerity imaginable

 

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"We’re going to force the governments to act, and if they don’t, we will bring them down. And yes, some may die in the process"

- Roger Hallam
Extinction Rebellion Founder
Chilling indeed
 

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Millions die every year because of the environmental policies implemented by the political lapdogs of the ruling elites.
I'd say we can all agree on that, that doesn't mean we should believe a lie.
 

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I'd say we can all agree on that, that doesn't mean we should believe a lie.
What we should do is realise that capitalism is to blame and replace it with a democratically planned, socialised economy.
 

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Millions die every year because of the environmental policies implemented by the political lapdogs of the ruling elites.
So says the UN. The report is full of doom once again. Can they highlight anything without sensationalising the issue ?

Of course air quality and water quality are problematic in some parts of the world. Much more progress can be made on those issues than on the imaginary temperature knob called CO2.

 

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What we should do is realise that capitalism is to blame and replace it with a democratically planned, socialised economy.
At least you are being honest about your support for the sensationalised environmental headlines.
 

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At least you are being honest about your support for the sensationalised environmental headlines.
This seems to capture well the theory that socialist (anti-capitalist) strategy is using environmental fears as a tool.

 

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Journal @Nature has now formally retracted @Scripps_Ocean paper claiming rapid ocean warming and predicting accelerated sea level rise. When proper uncertainties and error bars are calculated, there is no human signal in the data, nor alarming trends. Journal 'Nature' retracts ocean-warming study
 

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What we should do is realise that capitalism is to blame and replace it with a democratically planned, socialised economy.
Perhaps, but climate change is a scam that needs to be exposed.

I can't understand why socialists are swallowing it hook line and sinker. It's a capitalist ponzy scheme.
 

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Can I start planting grapes and bananas yet...that's all I want to know...thank you.
 

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What we should do is realise that capitalism is to blame and replace it with a democratically planned, socialised economy.
In case you haven't noticed we are dealing with the rise of the far right now, a long way from your ideals. If the world does not settle soon with the visage of Trump, Johnson, Orbin...need I go on... all threats to the very basis of democracy we believe in. Sure, we have to look after the planet earth...but we have to make bloody sure we are in a position to do so. :)
 

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In case you haven't noticed we are dealing with the rise of the far right now, a long way from your ideals. If the world does not settle soon with the visage of Trump, Johnson, Orbin...need I go on... all threats to the very basis of democracy we believe in. Sure, we have to look after the planet earth...but we have to make bloody sure we are in a position to do so. :)
Climate change denial is embraced by the far right, and by Trump. Why do you think he left the Paris Agreement?

Trump in fact is an unusually moronic climate change denier, so embarrassing to his own side he usually keeps his mouth shut.

But the agenda is to help his Saudi Royal and Russian oligarch cronies.

If you oppose climate change denial, you are also opposing fascist far-righters.

PS Boris Johnson seems to be an exception, but he had made dubious statements on climate change in the past. And no one in their right mind would trust him, anyway.
 


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