No Deal unless the Irish border backstop is scrapped

Surkov

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The British have no intention or plans to man the border.
Nowhere in WTO rules does it say they have to patrol or enforce a hard border, that is fact.
Whereas Eire will have to uphold the single market under command of the EU or all British goods could freely travel through Stranraer into the EU tariffs free.
As you did admit, it is your choice and decision whether Eire want to enforce a hard border and custom posts.
Take responsibility for your own decisions.
Pro-tip...

The people you are debating with in this thread KNOW FULL WELL there isn't going to be a 'hard' border in the event of a WTO Brexit. They know bombs aren't going to start exploding (oh, the drama!!). The scaremongering is a (now tired) ruse to block Brexit and keep the UK inside the EU.

The UK economy is the equivalent of the smallest 19 out of 27 EU states. Believe me, the EU gives a s**t.

They are quite simply DESPERATE to keep the UK in.

Roll on Oct 31st.

Btw, check out Boris's first ever people's PMQ's.


Reminds me of Trump's 'weekly address'.

^_^
 


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Pro-tip...

The people you are debating with in this thread KNOW FULL WELL there isn't going to be a 'hard' border in the event of a WTO Brexit. They know bombs aren't going to start exploding (oh, the drama!!). The scaremongering is a (now tired) ruse to block Brexit and keep the UK inside the EU.

The UK economy is the equivalent of the smallest 19 out of 27 EU states. Believe me, the EU gives a s**t.

They are quite simply DESPERATE to keep the UK in.

Roll on Oct 31st.

Btw, check out Boris's first ever people's PMQ's.


Reminds me of Trump's 'weekly address'.

^_^
Are you nuts?

If the UK was ready to get out, they would have gone three years ago. No one is stopping them.
 

Surkov

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Disgusting why Ireland should suffer any consequences through a British decision to exit the EU.
The ROI should have acted as a diplomatic bridge between the UK and the EU.

Instead it became a cat's paw for the EU.

But by all means, keep egging on divisions. See where it gets you in the final sum...
 

Surkov

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Are you nuts?

If the UK was ready to get out, they would have gone three years ago. No one is stopping them.
2/3 of Westminister MP's are Remainers. They are the ones who want to remain and who have done everything possible to frustrate and delay Brexit. As the PM recently said, some of these Remainer politicians are collaborating with the EU as we speak. That is not the UK.

The UK is its people. And they voted, democratically, to LEAVE.

Stop running away from that fact.
 

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The United States is ready to negotiate a post-Brexit trade deal with the U.K. "in pieces" to help speed the process as Britain prepares to leave the European Union on Oct. 31, National Security Adviser John Bolton said Monday.

Bolton told reporters after meeting with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson in London that a piecemeal approach to trade negotiations was “not unprecedented” and talks between the U.S. and the U.K. could start with areas where the two sides are likely to agree.

"I think here we see the importance and urgency of doing as much as we can agree on as rapidly as possible," he said.



The UK is going to exit. No more UK in the EU. Just accept it and move on. You'll be happier if you do. Letting go feels great. :]
 

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2/3 of Westminister MP's are Remainers. They are the ones who want to remain and who have done everything possible to frustrate and delay Brexit. As the PM recently said, some of these Remainer politicians are collaborating with the EU as we speak. That is not the UK.

The UK is its people. And they voted, democratically, to LEAVE.

Stop running away from that fact.
Running away from facts? I am giving you a fact. They have not left the EU, they are too ****ing scared to do that. They know it will crash the whole show. That is just reality.

You are going all conspiratorial nonsense, like all internet weirdos.
 

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Well. It is not the first time the UK shat all over Ireland, is it?

This time round it grinds their gears that Ireland is in a position of strength. It is not just Ireland, it is the whole EU.

Agree, but I was simply expressing the fact that Ireland, through no fault of their own could be heading for a real shit time over the Brit decision to exit.
 

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The United States is ready to negotiate a post-Brexit trade deal with the U.K. "in pieces" to help speed the process as Britain prepares to leave the European Union on Oct. 31, National Security Adviser John Bolton said Monday.

Bolton told reporters after meeting with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson in London that a piecemeal approach to trade negotiations was “not unprecedented” and talks between the U.S. and the U.K. could start with areas where the two sides are likely to agree.

"I think here we see the importance and urgency of doing as much as we can agree on as rapidly as possible," he said.



The UK is going to exit. No more UK in the EU. Just accept it and move on. You'll be happier if you do. Letting go feels great. :]

Remember March 29.........No surrender😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 

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Agree, but I was simply expressing the fact that Ireland, through no fault of their own could be heading for a real shit time over the Brit decision to exit.
Yeah, it has got to the point where the UK is saying to the EU, let us do what we want or we will stamp on Ireland.

LOL.
 

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Indeed a huge Error of Judgement that we handed it all over to a Frenchman to put Ireland's case.

If we had sat down with the Brits 121 we would not be anything like the mess we are in now!
If history tells us anything I'm sure its that they would have been so much more generous in such a scenario.
Tripping over themselves to help they would.
 

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The ROI should have acted as a diplomatic bridge between the UK and the EU.

Instead it became a cat's paw for the EU.

But by all means, keep egging on divisions. See where it gets you in the final sum...

Remind us all again, did Britain decide to leave the club or did they not sucker?

No diplomatic bridge/divisions/ cats paw sh1t/ minus trade deals/ and other if the Brits had decided to remain.😂
 

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Yeah, it has got to the point where the UK is saying to the EU, let us do what we want or we will stamp on Ireland.

LOL.


Depends on which way you look at it, advantage Ireland in this case, stamping on Ireland in the past cost them dearly.
 

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as things stand, a no-deal is going to happen. That would be a disaster. It would severely damage the British and Irish economies. It would set in train a process that could unravel the Belfast Agreement and jeopardise Ireland’s fragile peace. It would deal a blow to the UK’s reputation, imperil the union and rob London of any leverage as it enters negotiations with the EU on the future trading relationship.



The Boris gambit....is taken from the following movie.

 

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as things stand, a no-deal is going to happen. That would be a disaster. It would severely damage the British and Irish economies. It would set in train a process that could unravel the Belfast Agreement and jeopardise Ireland’s fragile peace. It would deal a blow to the UK’s reputation, imperil the union and rob London of any leverage as it enters negotiations with the EU on the future trading relationship.

It's amazing that the Irish media haven't accepted the reality that the British parliament have rejected the unconstitutional backstop deal three times already, yet think that Boris could redress it up and get it through.
That is extremely naive and wishful thinking.
Theresa tried that twice and failed miserably and I know Boris wouldn't be stupid enough to try a third time.
The reality is the British people voted for Brexit, the British parliament has rejected the current backstop deal 3 times.
So unless the backstop is changed there will be a no deal Brexit and we the British people are willing to accept the consequences.
 

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So unless the backstop is changed there will be a no deal Brexit and we the British people are willing to accept the consequences.

But the documents, which were leaked to the German Handelsblatt newspaper, say that even if the backstop were to be removed, there would be no guarantee that British MPs would approve the Withdrawal Agreement.

They also admit it is “currently unforeseeable that Prime Minister Johnson will change his tough negotiating position”.

"In view of this, it is important from the EU perspective to stick to the previous line," the documents say.

The leaked document also indicates that the EU’s no-deal preparations are largely complete, with the German government already having passed fifty laws and measures to mitigate a disorderly Brexit.

The Finance Ministry lists transitional agreements in tax and finance between the UK and Germany in case of a no-deal Brexit, including agreements such as that between the German financial regulator Bafin and its British counterpart FCA on cross-border financial services.

The document claims the European Commission is not planning any further emergency measures in advance of a potential no-deal exit.


The EU has its plans for no deal brexit. The UK is free to leave with no deal.
 

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But the documents, which were leaked to the German Handelsblatt newspaper, say that even if the backstop were to be removed, there would be no guarantee that British MPs would approve the Withdrawal Agreement.

They also admit it is “currently unforeseeable that Prime Minister Johnson will change his tough negotiating position”.

"In view of this, it is important from the EU perspective to stick to the previous line," the documents say.

The leaked document also indicates that the EU’s no-deal preparations are largely complete, with the German government already having passed fifty laws and measures to mitigate a disorderly Brexit.

The Finance Ministry lists transitional agreements in tax and finance between the UK and Germany in case of a no-deal Brexit, including agreements such as that between the German financial regulator Bafin and its British counterpart FCA on cross-border financial services.

The document claims the European Commission is not planning any further emergency measures in advance of a potential no-deal exit.


The EU has its plans for no deal brexit. The UK is free to leave with no deal.
Off course there is no guarantee with anything that is put before the British parliament, that's the way a democracy works.
The likelihood is and common sense would tell you that with backstop removed a backstop free agreement would go through.
So it sounds like the EU are accepting the No deal probability as well, so fine and dandy, whatever will be will be.
 

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Off course there is no guarantee with anything that is put before the British parliament, that's the way a democracy works.
The likelihood is and common sense would tell you that with backstop removed a backstop free agreement would go through.
So it sounds like the EU are accepting the No deal probability as well, so fine and dandy, whatever will be will be.

I am glad your happy.
 

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But the documents, which were leaked to the German Handelsblatt newspaper, say that even if the backstop were to be removed, there would be no guarantee that British MPs would approve the Withdrawal Agreement.

They also admit it is “currently unforeseeable that Prime Minister Johnson will change his tough negotiating position”.

"In view of this, it is important from the EU perspective to stick to the previous line," the documents say.

The leaked document also indicates that the EU’s no-deal preparations are largely complete, with the German government already having passed fifty laws and measures to mitigate a disorderly Brexit.

The Finance Ministry lists transitional agreements in tax and finance between the UK and Germany in case of a no-deal Brexit, including agreements such as that between the German financial regulator Bafin and its British counterpart FCA on cross-border financial services.

The document claims the European Commission is not planning any further emergency measures in advance of a potential no-deal exit.


The EU has its plans for no deal brexit. The UK is free to leave with no deal.

A EU without the UK and an Ireland without British rule seems to be the favored option by the majority of Britons.
 

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It is entirely possible that Westminster is playing a deeper game and are now so desperate to offload the DUP and all its works that they are choosing to leave the EU in the hope the DUP will foment rebellion and leave the union of their own accord.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. Perhaps we could learn from the professional football transfer market and should the DUP realistically threaten reunification we could do a deal to sign them up and then send them straight out on loan to Ajax or something with Ajax covering the unwaged bill.
 


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