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irelandproud

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Taken from a report in todays Irish Examier.

The queue at the Capuchin centre is growing weekly. Noel Baker talks to those desperate for food

THE first man in the queue outside the Capuchin Day Centre was standing in his spot from 7am, and his mood, perhaps understandably, was not the better for it.

"You look along the queue and see how many Irish nationals are in it?" he said. Referring to the presence of foreigners, he said: "They should not be here in the first place. When we had hard times in the past there this [place] was always open, seven days a week. The bags are a quarter the size they used to be — you could live on one bag a week four or five years ago. The publicity has not helped, it has attracted more people."

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It looks like a some of the Immigrants that are going to this place are not poor at all, but are abusing the hospitality of the centre, like the brazillian students reported saying that they only came because they didnt want to spend money on food. Its really simple if you cant find a job in a country and end up begging for food its time to go back to your own country espically now that there is no hope of anybody getting a job in Ireland.
 
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nonpartyboy

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The reality of post celtic tiger ireland,of course the pc crowd will go nuts over an article like this.In reality all non entitled immigrants should be given a plane ticket home and €100 euro in their pocket on the basis that they will not return for a 3 year period just to get them out of the country.If you return your on your own.
 

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"It is the bloody immigrants that are robbing the Irish."

Behind them, a few feet down the line, stood a woman from Rialto, with unsteady speech and a sweet smile emerging through black, tombstone teeth.
Put her on a plane and send her back immediately
 

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That post is laced with rascism and I disagree with a hell of a lot of it..

however, I can believe the Brazilian bit and I can believe the general.

Very very well written...

As an Irishman living abroad - I have only started to appreciate what Germany did for me recently.. my arrogance has gone, I am an ashamed Irishman these days...

However, we took these people in to build our boom... we can't simply chuck them out now..

Anyway, a very very well written post...
 

Ah Well

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The queue at the Capuchin centre is growing weekly. Noel Baker talks to those desperate for food

THE first man in the queue outside the Capuchin Day Centre was standing in his spot from 7am, and his mood, perhaps understandably, was not the better for it.

"You look along the queue and see how many Irish nationals are in it?" he said. Referring to the presence of foreigners, he said: "They should not be here in the first place. When we had hard times in the past there this [place] was always open, seven days a week. The bags are a quarter the size they used to be — you could live on one bag a week four or five years ago. The publicity has not helped, it has attracted more people."

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It looks like a some of the Immigrants that are going to this place are not poor at all, but are abusing the hospitality of the centre, like the brazillian students reported saying that they only came because they didnt want to spend money on food. Its really simple if you cant find a job in a country and end up begging for food its time to go back to your own country espically now that there is no hope of anybody getting a job in Ireland.
Reading the above got me thinking how we'd see Paddy O'Gorman on RTE going around interviewing people falling on hard times even during the "Celtic Tiger" period. Twould make for reality TV if a new series was shot and shown on RTE .... albeit very depressing reality TV
 
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However, we took these people in to build our boom... we can't simply chuck them out now..

Anyway, a very very well written post...
Couldn't agree with that,Bertie let them in to make himself look great on the european stage at the behest of IBEC and the CIF to further undermine irish workers terms and conditions and speed up the race to the bottom.There was 400 irish workers put out of work in irish ferries by cheap foreign labour,a friend of mine works in a factory where all the foreign workers are on lower rate of pay and they have consistanly got rid of their irish workforce over the last no. of years.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the work permit scheme,if we needed the workers we could have let in the no's required,instead we were effectively invaded,which was all fine for about 12 months,but the consequences of this we will have for years to come.
 

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Well as un pc as it sounds , allowing certain EU citizens into the country was a mistake imo , a bertie mistake . Dont blame the 'foreigners' blame ff and bertie .
 

nonpartyboy

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Well as un pc as it sounds , allowing certain EU citizens into the country was a mistake imo , a bertie mistake . Dont blame the 'foreigners' blame ff and bertie .
Oh i do,but that doesn't solve the problem.The simplest and cheapest thing to do is anyone arriving now or who was here and working illegally or has not enough stamps for the dole, offer them a flight home immediately and €100 ,no benefits while assesing claims.The message will very quickly go out,that ireland isin't worth going to anymore, i believe a further 30,000 pps no. were granted in the first 3 months of the year.This is an idea of what we are facing.
 

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However, we took these people in to build our boom... we can't simply chuck them out now..
The gates were opened in 2004, the boom collapsed in 2006.

Dont blame the 'foreigners' blame ff and bertie .
Agreed. Away from that however, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the queues doubled and doubled again in the next few weeks, and not a man or woman really needing the food, in the sense of starving. I mean what, a woman that can afford a mortgage and a playstation, but not food? Give over. Its a handy little income supplement. With that said, I have nothing but the utmost respect for the Capuchins and what they represent, to the extent that I may drop in a donation to them one of the days.
 
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I mean what, a woman that can afford a mortgage and a playstation, but not food? Give over. Its a handy little income supplement.
Did you read the article??? It's her first time in the que, she RECENTLY lost her (menial) job .... You really think she bought the playstation last week???

F%*KING PLEB....
 
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How do you get a mortgage on a "menial job"?
By working long hours I would imagine! You probably would not understand what hard work and long hours are from your shiny seat in your ivory tower.
 

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By working long hours I would imagine! You probably would not understand what hard work and long hours are from your shiny seat in your ivory tower.
So tell me, what percentage of the people in that queue would you say really need it, in the sense that they have little or no other source of food? As I said already, I have nothing but respect for the Capuchins, but I am heavily sceptical about many of the people lining up to get free stuff. One man even mentioned that some of them "looked like millionaires".
 
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Duth Ealla

That post is laced with rascism and I disagree with a hell of a lot of it..

however, I can believe the Brazilian bit and I can believe the general.

Very very well written...

As an Irishman living abroad - I have only started to appreciate what Germany did for me recently.. my arrogance has gone, I am an ashamed Irishman these days...

However, we took these people in to build our boom... we can't simply chuck them out now..

Anyway, a very very well written post...
Yeah to be fair its a well written post. I was expecting to see a reference to a news paper or something.

hat tip IrelandP, good writing.

MookieBaylock,

Having brought them in we need to figure out now what to do. Thats a fair point.

Can I quibble though with your point that we brought them in to build our boom.

Maybe we should say we brought them in to build our bubble :D
 

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It looks like a some of the Immigrants that are going to this place are not poor at all, but are abusing the hospitality of the centre, like the brazillian students reported saying that they only came because they didnt want to spend money on food. Its really simple if you cant find a job in a country and end up begging for food its time to go back to your own country espically now that there is no hope of anybody getting a job in Ireland.

Have you seen the film 'Kings'?

...Irish film-maker Tom Collins has turned it into a £2.5 million project starring Colm Meaney, best known for playing Miles O'Brien in Star Trek: The Next Generation, and Deep Space Nine.

In Kings, Meaney plays Joe, one of six men who come to London looking for work in the Seventies.

Thirty years later the men are reunited for the funeral of a friend who has died in tragic circumstances.

Collins, who grew up in Donegal, said the story of what happened to Irishmen who left home to seek their fortune in England was one he knew well from his youth.

He said: "Our aim was to make a ' foreign' film in England because I'm no longer sure England as we knew it exists.

"Our characters still talk in Irish in an attempt to accentuate their personal and national bond and their language is, to them, their last act of solidarity.

"This is an untold story of immigration and loneliness which continues today with migrants from Lithuania, Poland and China."

The director said it was an "amazing night" when he saw Kings Of The Kilburn High Road at the Tricycle, as what he saw on stage mirrored the lives of so many people in the audience.

"It's surprisingly universal," he said. "It's a little aspect of London life that is often forgotten; I hope people are interested."
I suppose my attitude would be more like that painter decorater than you IrelandProud.

PC = Proper Christian.
 

smitchy2

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Welfare should be given based on what you have contributed to the economy in your working life.
This would remove the anomaly of non-nationals receiving more benefits than recently dole seekers.
It would also rip apart the layabouts who did not bother lifting a finger when we had full employment for 5-10 years.
 
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