No mention of partition in the ULA programme.

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Comrades from England emailed me this morning in a state of shock about the United Left Alliance programme....What surprised them is that there is NO mention of ending partition no mind the issue of prisoners being held in both the Free State and six counties on political charges.

WHY?
 


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Comrades from England emailed me this morning in a state of shock about the United Left Alliance programme....What surprised them is that there is NO mention of ending partition no mind the issue of prisoners being held in both the Free State and six counties on political charges.

WHY?
Tell us more about these "political charges".
 

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Tell us more about these "political charges".
I think he means the criminal terrorist scum that some call 'disso's':rolleyes:
 

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It's an umbrella group whose website is still heavily under construction. They even say that to you on the front page. If you look on the Socialist Party site they've loads of articles on their thoughts on the North. If you knew anything you could have told your idiot friends this. Ah well.
 

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Why ?

Perhaps they've got more to think about than all out civil war ?
 

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Comrades from England emailed me this morning in a state of shock about the United Left Alliance programme....What surprised them is that there is NO mention of ending partition no mind the issue of prisoners being held in both the Free State and six counties on political charges.

WHY?
check out the Socialist party website. Its states its aim to form a Socialist federation of Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England. The trots want to force us into a neo united kingdom.
 

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I may disagree with the core principles but it's good to see a party dealing with real issues and not complete irrelevancies.
 
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I think he means the criminal terrorist scum that some call 'disso's':rolleyes:
I suspect you might be right. Actually it´s probably a smart move on the part of the ULA not to raise he issue of unification. I doubt if too many voters are terribly interested right now. I also remember it being used all to liberally back in the 60´s.
 

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The ULA is an electoral alliance for the 2011 election in the South. Partition is unlikely to be a major election issue and the groups involved have not agreed a common position on it.
 

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Stars, you should check out my thread - Is the ULA in effect a branch of the British left ?. As one of the posters pointed out, " they borrow their political theories and strategies from the UK and basically regard Ireland as if it were Yorkshire or Lancashire." Says it all :rolleyes:

You see the thing about Trots and the so called 'Irish Left' is that they very strangely suffer from a guilt complex when it comes to dealing with the 'mainland' and the 'comrades' from there :). A sort of cringe at making their gallant comrades a little uncomfortable while they pursue the world wide revoulotion that will usher in the workers utopia blah, blah, blah

Ofcourse they will be all for the freedom of countries in Central America and Asia - just so long as there fighting the fascist capital pig of the USA as that's always very populiar with the British Left.
 

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It's an umbrella group whose website is still heavily under construction. They even say that to you on the front page. If you look on the Socialist Party site they've loads of articles on their thoughts on the North. If you knew anything you could have told your idiot friends this. Ah well.
I know well what the Socialist Party think about the north....The ULA is not exactly the same thing though is it?

The point is that partition is an important factor in Irish politics however much some people like to deny it.

My "idiot" friends also asked why no mention of the Special Criminal Court or state repression against Republicans in the 26 counties.
 

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You see the thing about Trots and the so called 'Irish Left' is that they very strangely suffer from a guilt complex when it comes to dealing with the 'mainland' and the 'comrades' from there :). A sort of cringe at making their gallant comrades a little uncomfortable while they pursue the world wide revoulotion that will usher in the workers utopia blah, blah, blah
In fairness it was English friends of mine who brought the total unmentioning of the national question by the ULA to my attention.

I think this is more to do with the fact that Trots lack principles. Full stop.
 

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Out of curiosity Seven Stars ... are you a member of any organisation?
Yes....well sort of. Its in another country and I stuff in my private life at the moment that stops me being as politically active as I would like. I still pay my dues though.

There are no political parties in Ireland that I would totally agree with but Id be supportive of the efforts of the IRSP, Eirgi and the Republican Network for Unity.
 

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In fairness it was English friends of mine who brought the total unmentioning of the national question by the ULA to my attention.

I think this is more to do with the fact that Trots lack principles. Full stop.
Or perhaps it has more to do with the fact that the groups involved have different analyses of the National Question, and more importantly that this isn't a political party per se but an electoral alliance which has set out a limited programme, than that we lack principles. That's just the way it is.
 

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I think this is more to do with the fact that Trots lack principles. Full stop.
While obviously coming from the lunatic fringe, this attitude is exactly why Gilmore won't be leader. The second the left make any progress all the nutbars start splintering and it becomes a hilarious battle of "Leftier than thou".
 

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Or perhaps it has more to do with the fact that the groups involved have different analyses of the National Question, and more importantly that this isn't a political party per se but an electoral alliance which has set out a limited programme, than that we lack principles. That's just the way it is.
So are you to take it from this that you consider the existence of the Special Criminal Court no big deal???

You are happy with internment being carried out of progressives by the capitalist state???

I think that whole situation is a big deal...One that the media ignores and of course bringing it up might be a little risque, no?
 

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So are you to take it from this that you consider the existence of the Special Criminal Court no big deal???

You are happy with internment being carried out of progressives by the capitalist state???

I think that whole situation is a big deal...One that the media ignores and of course bringing it up might be a little risque, no?
SS - the basis of you starting this thread was to have a simple sectarian pop at the trots involved in the ULA - time for you to go back cheerleading the UWC strike and let us get on with organising a fighting organisation to represent working class people.
 

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So are you to take it from this that you consider the existence of the Special Criminal Court no big deal???

You are happy with internment being carried out of progressives by the capitalist state???

I think that whole situation is a big deal...One that the media ignores and of course bringing it up might be a little risque, no?
Did I say that? No, so don't assume to know what I think. At the moment the mass of working class political activity is taking place against the cuts and in the industrial arena, so if socialist ideas are to win over the mass of the working-class that's where limited resources should be concentrated.
 


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