Nonie Darwish simplifies Islam's bigotry against Israel & the West.

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An insightful talk given here:

[video=youtube;nrLAXH2j0GU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLAXH2j0GU[/video]

As always, l would wish people to keep in mind that of course not all Muslims (or even a significant proportion) are in thrall to the negative and inhumane aspects, the discriminating, fanatic and racist aspects, of Islam. It is erroneous to conflate the Muslim individual with the institution of Islam itself. Often, Muslims are as much victims of the ideology they are controlled by as anyone else. And indeed there are many reformists at the highest levels of Arab and Muslim society today.

But Darwish above describes well the many invidious aspects of this cult, particularly its treatment of women. Well worth listening to.
 


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The Islamic world would be in a far better place were it to devote more time to thinking about how to offer its young people a future that involves more than a rickety boat across the Mediterranean.
 

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Watch as the fascists queue up to shoot her or her message down.
 

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Fair play to her for speaking the truth
Hopefully she wont be assassinated by a cult member for doing so
 

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A brilliant expose of Islam - and how Mohammed was the founder of the modern IS
Thanks for the link
 

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Fair play to her for speaking the truth
Hopefully she wont be assassinated by a cult member for doing so
If she suffers that fate, there's many round 'ere will think she deserves it (similar to Charlie Hebdo)
 

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Deafening response to the thread.
 

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A brave woman making an important point.

Even Ayaan Hirsi Ali is less radical in her language.

She overstates her case a bit towards the end, though. And has a very rose-tinted view of christianity over history.

Good though, that there are arabs and ex-muslims putting their heads over the parapet. She deserves our respect and protection.
 
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An insightful talk given here:

[video=youtube;nrLAXH2j0GU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLAXH2j0GU[/video]

As always, l would wish people to keep in mind that of course not all Muslims (or even a significant proportion) are in thrall to the negative and inhumane aspects, the discriminating, fanatic and racist aspects, of Islam. It is erroneous to conflate the Muslim individual with the institution of Islam itself. Often, Muslims are as much victims of the ideology they are controlled by as anyone else. And indeed there are many reformists at the highest levels of Arab and Muslim society today.

But Darwish above describes well the many invidious aspects of this cult, particularly its treatment of women. Well worth listening to.
and no doubt the mainstream media in Ireland and other Liberal Countries will also highlight these concerns. They have no issues highlighting the massive wrongs that the Catholic Church imposed on Citizens, so cannot see any reason for not highlighting Islams backwards and barbaric beliefs.
 

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and no doubt the mainstream media in Ireland and other Liberal Countries will also highlight these concerns. They have no issues highlighting the massive wrongs that the Catholic Church imposed on Citizens, so cannot see any reason for not highlighting Islams backwards and barbaric beliefs.
You must be joking, Ireland and its institutions will probably ban the woman!
 

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and no doubt the mainstream media in Ireland and other Liberal Countries will also highlight these concerns. They have no issues highlighting the massive wrongs that the Catholic Church imposed on Citizens, so cannot see any reason for not highlighting Islams backwards and barbaric beliefs.
Muslims being non whites will be exempt from criticism.
 

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Islam is open to all races.
True but they are from predominantly non white countries, thats just the simple fact of the matter, of course islam is a religion not a race, no matter what the numpties say, but the majority of its adherents happen to be non white, which is why too many people are reluctant to criticise it as opposed to christianity which no one has a problem criticism apart from the most devout believers perhaps.
 

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Was this one of the women Resistance leader Linda sarsour said should get beaten for insulting and betraying Islam.

Real pity Nonie Darwish isn't Christian because then we on the left could agree with her but now we're supposed to ignore her and pretend she is an uncle Tom.

Where have we gone wrong?
 

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A brave woman making an important point.

Even Ayaan Hirsi Ali is less radical in her language.

She overstates her case a bit towards the end, though. And has a very rose-tinted view of christianity over history.

Good though, that there are arabs and ex-muslims putting their heads over the parapet. She deserves our respect and protection.
She walks the same road that we in the West have walked. But whereas as that path was lined with progressives she is as likely to be ignored or derided by a left wing person today.
Lest secularism cause offence.
 

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An insightful talk given here:

As always, l would wish people to keep in mind that of course not all Muslims (or even a significant proportion) are in thrall to the negative and inhumane aspects, the discriminating, fanatic and racist aspects, of Islam. It is erroneous to conflate the Muslim individual with the institution of Islam itself. Often, Muslims are as much victims of the ideology they are controlled by as anyone else. And indeed there are many reformists at the highest levels of Arab and Muslim society today.

But Darwish above describes well the many invidious aspects of this cult, particularly its treatment of women. Well worth listening to.
The problem with Sunni Islam is that not that has to much authority invested in certain individuals but that it often lacks clear structures of authority and legitimation. This is one of the reasons that Shia Islam remains a lot more immune to all sorts of craziness than it does (the other reason is that the Shia value in general the Classical Philosophers while as often the Sunni can be incredibly scornful of them). Given the levels of Clerical authority and rigid community control within Rabbinic Judaism you of all people aren't really in a position to refer to Islam as a "cult". Racist aspects? Well of course there are Muslims who are racist, just as there are Christians who are, however Islam has been better at tackling racism within it's ranks historically than Christianity has it could be argued- indeed a criticism Muslims will occasionally make of Christianity is that it always seems to end up in Ethno-Nationalism. However unlike say Hinduism or Rabbinic Judaism there are no racial aspects to Islam just as there are not to Christianity.

I'm surprised though that picked up on obvious fraud, someone on a par with that Shoebat character, to promote your agenda. She has been discredited by the way fully and is only now followed by ghouls who hate Muslims because there is so much darkness in their own souls that they need to project out unto others as well as people who live out their blood lust by proxy through the Zionist colonial project (these are the exact psychological types who eagerly followed after Hitler's drum by the way);

Nonie Darwish Caught in a Pool of Lies | loonwatch.com
 

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The problem with Sunni Islam...

... This is one of the reasons that Shia Islam remains a lot more immune to all sorts of craziness than it does ...
Nonsense. Read for example Selected Fatawah of The Ayatollah Khomeini. It's full of the exact same thing Nonie Darwish is talking about. Very explicitly set out - for example, how control is exercised over every part of a Muslim's life, right down to how you must wash yourself, eat, and even clean yourself of menstrual blood.

Granted, the extremist elements of the Shia strain of Islam is less visible (by design) in the world at the present time. They operate differently. They prefer discrete well timed terror campaigns tethered to state objectives, rather than the continuous, mid‐to‐high intensity general Jihadist warfare, drawing on coreligionist expatriate communities that Sunni extremism does.

And at present, they are waging a very effective "diplomatic", underhand type of Jihad through the UN and other international bodies. e.g. This is how it is waging Jihad against Israel today. - And indeed they do similar with respect to the U.S. - You of course, personally, are in thrall to what they are doing here, taken in, vindicating their present strategy and course.

The state lead nature of Shia extremism make it even more well resourced, organised, and capable than Sunni Islamic extremism. Granted, it is more sanitised in a manner. But they also treat women (and minorities like homosexuals) abominably. - That is the preeminent marker of what we're talking about, to my mind...

And in that respect you have other women, escaped from the Iranian Islamic regime, like say Maryam Namazie, who work to communicate to the West the exact same message that Nonie Darwish does.
 
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The problem with Sunni Islam is that not that has to much authority invested in certain individuals but that it often lacks clear structures of authority and legitimation. This is one of the reasons that Shia Islam remains a lot more immune to all sorts of craziness than it does (the other reason is that the Shia value in general the Classical Philosophers while as often the Sunni can be incredibly scornful of them). Given the levels of Clerical authority and rigid community control within Rabbinic Judaism you of all people aren't really in a position to refer to Islam as a "cult". Racist aspects? Well of course there are Muslims who are racist, just as there are Christians who are, however Islam has been better at tackling racism within it's ranks historically than Christianity has it could be argued- indeed a criticism Muslims will occasionally make of Christianity is that it always seems to end up in Ethno-Nationalism. However unlike say Hinduism or Rabbinic Judaism there are no racial aspects to Islam just as there are not to Christianity.

I'm surprised though that picked up on obvious fraud, someone on a par with that Shoebat character, to promote your agenda. She has been discredited by the way fully and is only now followed by ghouls who hate Muslims because there is so much darkness in their own souls that they need to project out unto others as well as people who live out their blood lust by proxy through the Zionist colonial project (these are the exact psychological types who eagerly followed after Hitler's drum by the way);

Nonie Darwish Caught in a Pool of Lies | loonwatch.com
The Jew hater has arrived...
 

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Mark Humphries has done some research into "Loonwatch".

The anti-counterjihad - Loonwatch

"... the bitterness with which they attack Muslim apostates like Wafa Sultan, calling them: "self-proclaimed turn coats from their Arab and Muslim identities". Why would a non-Muslim care two cents if a Muslim loses their faith and their Muslim identity? Hence I suspect Loonwatch are Muslims who don't have the honesty to say so..."
 

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Nonsense. Read for example Selected Fatawah of The Ayatollah Khomeini. It's full of the exact same thing Nonie Darwish is talking about. Very explicitly set out, how control is exercised over every part of a Muslim's life, right down to how you must wash yourself, eat, and even clean yourself of menstrual blood.

Granted, the extremist elements of the Shia strain of Islam is less visible (by design) in the world at the present time. They operate differently. They prefer discrete well timed terror campaigns tethered to state objectives, rather than the continuous, mid‐to‐high intensity general Jihadist warfare, drawing on coreligionist expatriate communities that Sunni extremism does.

And at present, they are waging a very effective "diplomatic", underhand type of Jihad through the UN and other international bodies. e.g. This is how it is waging Jihad against Israel today. - And indeed they do similar with respect to the U.S.

The state lead nature of Shia extremism make it even more well resourced, organised, and capable than Sunni Islamic extremism. Granted, it is more sanitised in a manner. But they also treat women abominably. - That is the preeminent marker of what we're talking about, to my mind...

And in that respect you have other women, escaped from the Iranian Islamic regime, like say Maryam Namazie, who work to communicate to the West the exact same message that Nonie Darwish does.
The fanatical opponents of Islamic Republic of Iran are nearly all criminals (such as fans of the Shah), Ultra-Leftist Maoists and "Left-Communists" or total nut jobs such as Jason Reza Jorjani. I have been to the Islamic Republic of Iran if you recall and found it a wonderful loving place. Hezbollah is an extremely visible organization that is internationally known; they are less visible really? No I don't think so. A woman who is definitely among the five people who have helped me most in this life is Shia and an incredibly truthful, kind if also tough person told me about her upbringing and I have met her family- I would say that Ulster Protestant women tend to be treated far worse, especially if they are working class. Claiming that they treat women abominably is risible, indeed isn't it a Sunni slander that Shia men are hen-pecked? Anyway of all the three Abrahamic Faiths (see I'm not the hyper-Traditionalist my enemies on here see me as) it cannot be doubted that Rabbinic Judaism has historically at least treated women the worst (if I converted to Rabbinic Judaism I wouldn't be allowed to study the Kabbalah while as many of the great Catholic Mystics were women).
 


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