North Korean workers in the EU

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It's well known that eastern europe employs cheap labour from North Korea, with most of the wages going home to support the nutcase regime.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/05/north-koreas-global-money-makers-us-scolds-countries-hosting-guest-workers


You'd think the EU would expel them all, and create new job opportunities for our fellow europeans, but no, "our" sanctions are the UN minimum:

North Korea: Council aligns its sanction lists with the latest UN Security Council resolution - Consilium


Expel or expeditiously exploit? You decide...
 


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doesnt the NK gov keep part of their earnings, they are essentially contracting out their population as slave labour, so seems good, if it keeps the price of strawberries down its win win
 

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The ideological solution pushed by the west - to isolate North Korea more, and continuously cut them off in every way possible - will not work. It will only make them more disconnected and ultimately more prone to lash out.

The ultimate solution is integration, not isolation. Let them trade. Let their middle class develop. Let them become rich. It will change them.
 

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From the Guardian article:

"Washington said last year it was also working to encourage other countries to send home North Korean embassy workers who did not appear to be engaged in diplomatic activity. Nations should make sure North Korean officials were not invited to travel abroad or that their ships and planes were allowed to dock or land, former deputy secretary of state Antony Blinken said."

This policy is insane. The US is actively working to the same goal as the Kim government - to make them the only source of information about the outside world.
 

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The ideological solution pushed by the west - to isolate North Korea more, and continuously cut them off in every way possible - will not work. It will only make them more disconnected and ultimately more prone to lash out.

The ultimate solution is integration, not isolation. Let them trade. Let their middle class develop. Let them become rich. It will change them.
unfortunatly there is no middle class to develop in n.k.
 

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The ideological solution pushed by the west - to isolate North Korea more, and continuously cut them off in every way possible - will not work. It will only make them more disconnected and ultimately more prone to lash out.

The ultimate solution is integration, not isolation. Let them trade. Let their middle class develop. Let them become rich. It will change them.
Yes, but first bomb them out, station forces, establish reasonable government etc etc
 

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It's well known that eastern europe employs cheap labour from North Korea, with most of the wages going home to support the nutcase regime.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/05/north-koreas-global-money-makers-us-scolds-countries-hosting-guest-workers


You'd think the EU would expel them all, and create new job opportunities for our fellow europeans, but no, "our" sanctions are the UN minimum:

North Korea: Council aligns its sanction lists with the latest UN Security Council resolution - Consilium


Expel or expeditiously exploit? You decide...
The title of your thread is misleading. Nowhere does this two-month-old article from the Guardian state that there are North Korean workers in Eastern Europe. It says that most of the estimated 50,000 are employed in Russia and China and mentions other countries like Cambodia and Malaysia where there may also be a North Korean presence.

So why are you blaming the EU?
 

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unfortunatly there is no middle class to develop in n.k.
There is actually. The current NK gov has liberalised to a more market economy and there is a developing middle class as a result. Its part of the reason for the missile tests - Kim is trying to keep his base ultra-nationalists happy in the face of reforms.
 

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How wide is it?

The expectation is there tolerated because if their realistic expectations about working conditions.
 

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There is actually. The current NK gov has liberalised to a more market economy and there is a developing middle class as a result. Its part of the reason for the missile tests - Kim is trying to keep his base ultra-nationalists happy in the face of reforms.
Have you any links to support your claims?

I always thought it was in the interests of the Kim's to keep their country backward and isolated, going the way of China would surely but their families reign in jeopardy.

It's one of the reasons Kim had his half brother killed a few months back, as he argued for a Chinese style type of reform for North Korea.
 

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Have you any links to support your claims?

I always thought it was in the interests of the Kim's to keep their country backward and isolated, going the way of China would surely but their families reign in jeopardy.

It's one of the reasons Kim had his half brother killed a few months back, as he argued for a Chinese style type of reform for North Korea.
Try this from earlier this year:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/world/asia/north-korea-economy-marketplace.html?mcubz=1

"Scores of marketplaces have opened in cities across the country since the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, took power five years ago. A growing class of merchants and entrepreneurs is thriving under the protection of ruling party officials. Pyongyang, the capital, has seen a construction boom, and there are now enough cars on its once-empty streets for some residents to make a living washing them.

Reliable economic data is scarce. But recent defectors, regular visitors and economists who study the country say nascent market forces are beginning to reshape North Korea — a development that complicates efforts to curb Mr. Kim’s nuclear ambitions."
 

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The title of your thread is misleading. Nowhere does this two-month-old article from the Guardian state that there are North Korean workers in Eastern Europe. ///

Wrong link! But I'm right that they are working in the EU, often to replace workers who are here.

The EU/ECJ has oversight and the last word on who can work in the EU member states. The Commission has the power to step in and say that immigrant workers from dictatorships are not acceptable in the EU.

They can be more specific perhaps, and exclude these workers; if not, then on human trafficking grounds. Nobody is so naive as to think that these workers can travel freely to and from N Korea without the regime's permission.


North Korea sends state-sponsored slaves to Europe - rights group | Reuters

and many others....
 

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[video=youtube;SPjKs8NuY4s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPjKs8NuY4s[/video]
Unbelievable, deputy director of Warsaw council admitted the administration often register NK workers as South Koreans for work permits and visas as they only have 'Korea' in the IT system and probably are not even aware there are 2 Koreas :roll:
 

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I wonder are the fellas going around Dublin with that hideous Kim Yong haircut

NK sleepers.
 

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Any comment from those wandering fellow Marxists in Ireland, the so called "Workers Party" ?

They were great mates of the Kim dynasty when the Frank Ross Faction were running them.
 

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There is actually. The current NK gov has liberalised to a more market economy and there is a developing middle class as a result. Its part of the reason for the missile tests - Kim is trying to keep his base ultra-nationalists happy in the face of reforms.
It is quite true DPRK has flirted with introducing more market reforms into it's economy since Kim inherited the throne:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/06/01/north-korea-experiments-with-freer-markets/#3cfd9be7f4ae
 

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I don't think it's realistic to say that Kim Jong-Un has introduced market reforms- any legal changes are purely retrospective endorsements of existing market structures which have provided the majority of the populations living since the collapse of the rationing system during the 1995-1999 famine. The Rimjingang series, a journalism project which publishes despatches from undercover journalists living within North Korea, documented the growth of the Jangmadang system of markets, the hollowing out of the state industrial sector and the beginnings of an unofficial property market within the country. The important thing to remember is that the country is so destitute and corrupt that any top-down measures at control from the government have only a limited effect on the lives of most people living there.
 


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