northern ireland referendum : Is it being used to scare the DUP?

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[video]https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/963292/Brexit-news-Northern-Ireland-Republic-border-EU-UK-violence#t=19s[/video]


"Need for a serious debate on a border poll is very real"


Read more at: https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/need-for-a-serious-debate-on-a-border-poll-is-very-real-1-8504492

Their is a lot of talk about a poll on the border at the moment. The main source for this appears to be other sources than Irish nationalism such as the UK government.

This is strange unless it is part of a wider tactic to keep the DUP in line. The fact is if such a poll is called the outcome will be determined by how good a deal the UK does with the EU.
 
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[video]https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/963292/Brexit-news-Northern-Ireland-Republic-border-EU-UK-violence#t=19s[/video]



Heaven only knows what the Brits are up to, best ask the SF negotiators who dealt with them often in the past.
 

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It’s obvious that the Brits are leaving the Customs Union but the North’s six counties are staying in- May has no other choice if she wants a deal with the EU when she takes Britain away on their own- DUP will yell a bit then say they had no choice in the matter- they will get more Peers maybe another member on the privy council along with Jeffery etc- it’s only a matter of time now-
 

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It’s obvious that the Brits are leaving the Customs Union but the North’s six counties are staying in- May has no other choice if she wants a deal with the EU when she takes Britain away on their own- DUP will yell a bit then say they had no choice in the matter- they will get more Peers maybe another member on the privy council along with Jeffery etc- it’s only a matter of time now-
Let them give the DUP all the "Empire" sweeties they like, it won't make much difference to the rest of us.
Meanwhile in the real world, citizens get honoured because they're earned respect and gratitude.
Mitchel McLaughlin to be appointed as honorary professor at Queen's - BBC News
 

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It’s obvious that the Brits are leaving the Customs Union but the North’s six counties are staying in- May has no other choice if she wants a deal with the EU when she takes Britain away on their own- DUP will yell a bit then say they had no choice in the matter- they will get more Peers maybe another member on the privy council along with Jeffery etc- it’s only a matter of time now-
I hope you are correct but I honestly do not think the UK has a plan.
 

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It’s obvious that the Brits are leaving the Customs Union but the North’s six counties are staying in- May has no other choice if she wants a deal with the EU when she takes Britain away on their own- DUP will yell a bit then say they had no choice in the matter- they will get more Peers maybe another member on the privy council along with Jeffery etc- it’s only a matter of time now-
I don't think there's anything obvious about how the Tories approach brexit. They're all over the shop, more intent on the party leadership question than the future of the country.
 

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The Irish border along with other aspects of the shambles is being used as a proxy battleground between the two factions of the Tory party, the Remainers/Soft Brexiteers and the Brexiteers/Hard Brexit DUP wing. The latter have tried to drag the Irish government into it, they've attempted to demonise everyone, they've made up complete farcical nonsense about tech borders and the like but the other side aren't angels either when it comes to using the Irish border as leverage.
 

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Let them give the DUP all the "Empire" sweeties they like, it won't make much difference to the rest of us.
Meanwhile in the real world, citizens get honoured because they're earned respect and gratitude.
Mitchel McLaughlin to be appointed as honorary professor at Queen's - BBC News
Former first minister of Northern Ireland Peter Robinson has been appointed honorary Professor in Peace Studies at Queen’s University...
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/peter-robinson-appointed-honorary-peace-professor-at-queens-university-36918244.html
 

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I know.
Have you ever wondered why Peter didn't get a seat in the British lords?
Sure why worry when in the real world, citizens get honoured because they're earned respect and gratitude.
 

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It’s obvious that the Brits are leaving the Customs Union but the North’s six counties are staying in- May has no other choice if she wants a deal with the EU when she takes Britain away on their own- DUP will yell a bit then say they had no choice in the matter- they will get more Peers maybe another member on the privy council along with Jeffery etc- it’s only a matter of time now-
There's only 10 of them, the tories can get them in on a few of their south of England property scams, sorted.
 

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Sure why worry when in the real world, citizens get honoured because they're earned respect and gratitude.
Why is Robinson not in Ermine robes? All the other unionist leaders got sent to the big sleep house.
 

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Meghans dress was lovely though. That will keep the prods silent.
Aye, my wife was saying, I was busy, it involved pints and Celtic winning a double treble. It wasn't quiet where I was.
 

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Former first minister of Northern Ireland Peter Robinson has been appointed honorary Professor in Peace Studies at Queen’s University...
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/peter-robinson-appointed-honorary-peace-professor-at-queens-university-36918244.html
Peace professor? he who opposed peace in Northern Ireland and opposed the GFA. He also has a very violent past

Invasion of Clontibret[edit]

Main article: Clontibret invasion

On 7 August 1986, in protest at the Anglo-Irish Agreement, Robinson led a group of loyalists into the village of Clontibret in County Monaghan in the Republic of Ireland to demonstrate the lack of security along the Irish border following a bomb attack that killed 12 policemen. The loyalists attacked the unmanned Garda station in the village and daubbed loyalist slogans on the walls. They then held a parade along the main street and attacked two Gardaí. More Gardaí arrived shortly after and fired shots in the air, scattering the loyalist crowd. Robinson was arrested and held at Monaghan Garda station. He pleaded guilty to unlawful assembly and was fined IR£17,500 in a Drogheda court. There was also violence both before and after a court appearance in Dundalk, when both Robinson and Ian Paisley were attacked. Republicans also threw stones and petrol bombs at flag-waving Robinson supporters.[28] At his trial one of the judges who described him as "a senior extremist politician" was savaged by Robinson's legal team.[29][30]

Ulster Resistance[edit]

In November 1986, Paisley and Robinson spoke at the Ulster Hall demonstration which launched Ulster Resistance (UR), the organisation was intended to act as a protector for beleaguered unionists who were under attack from the IRA. The organisation subsequently imported arms from South Africa, resulting in Paisley and Robinson dissociating themselves from the organisation.[30][31] He was photographed wearing the group's beret at an Ulster Resistance demonstration.

Views on homosexuality[edit]

On 30 October 2008, in his first extensive interview as First Minister (for Hearts and Minds on BBC Northern Ireland), Peter Robinson stated that homosexuality was against Christian theology.

Robinson's wife, Iris, had quoted the Bible which said that homosexuality was an abomination and that with help, gay people could be "turned around". A police investigation was initiated amid unfounded claims "her comments breached hate crime laws. No charges were brought."[32] Peter Robinson supported his wife's statements, saying: "It wasn't Iris Robinson who determined that homosexuality was an abomination, it was The Almighty. This is the Scriptures. It is a strange world indeed where somebody on the one hand talks about equality, but won't allow Christians to have the equality, the right to speak, the right to express their views."[33]

Planning application[edit]

On 28 May 2009 the Planning Service of Northern Ireland granted a developer planning permission for six houses to be built on land, part of which, was Robinson's rear garden on the Gransha Road[34] in the Dundonald area of East Belfast.[35]

On 30 March 2010, the BBC reported that Robinson had purchased a piece of land from a developer for £5, enabling him to sell part of his back garden for nearly £460,000.[36] Robinson later claimed that the inaccurate report was evidence that the BBC were leading a smear campaign against him.[37]

BBC Spotlight investigation[edit]

Main article: Iris Robinson scandal

On 8 January 2010 the BBC Northern Ireland programme Spotlight[38] reported on how his wife, Iris, had obtained £50,000 for Kirk McCambley, 19 at the time, while in a sexual relationship with him.[39] On the day before the Spotlight programme, Peter Robinson had made an emotional statement to the Press Association, BBC, UTV and RTÉ in regard to the relationship and stated that there had been no financial wrongdoing.[40] The programme maintained that when Robinson found out about the financial aspects of his wife's relationship he insisted that the money she had lobbied two property developers for and which she subsequently lent and gave to her lover be returned in full. It claimed that he did not tell the proper authorities what he knew about the transactions between the four, despite being obliged by the Northern Ireland Executive ministerial code of conduct to act in the public interest at all times. Later that day Robinson's solicitors said he was thoroughly satisfied that he had at all times acted properly and fulfilled all requirements, and would robustly challenge any allegation to the contrary.[39] On the following day, Robinson maintained that he had "learned from Spotlight for the first time some alleged aspects of my wife's affair and her financial arrangements" and that he would be "resolutely defending attacks on my character and contesting any allegations of wrongdoing".[41] A series of investigations cleared Robinson.

FAIR censorship allegations[edit]

According to a report on the website of the Families Acting for Innocent Relatives (FAIR) non-governmental organisation, in 2007 Peter Robinson wrote to its director Willie Frazer, telling him he "might find it much easier to get co-operation with political representatives if you were genuinely involved in Victim Support rather than opposition politics".[42] Robinson's principal private secretary was found to have been involved, in February 2010, in trying to have criticism of the DUP's working relationship with Sinn Féin censored from FAIR's website. UUP leader Reg Empey asked whether this amounted to party political use of the office.[43] Seven months later FAIR's funding by the Special EU Programmes Body (SEUPB) was stopped following allegations of financial irregularities in the group. Frazer stepped down as director after reading the report.

Pastor McConnell support and Islam[edit]

In May 2014, Robinson was widely criticized after he told The Irish News that he supported Whitewell Metropolitan Tabernacle Pastor James McConnell's right as a pastor to make remarks about Islam.[44][45] In a sermon the pastor had stated "Islam is heathen, Islam is satanic, Islam is a doctrine spawned in hell." Robinson said that like the pastor he would not "trust them" for spiritual guidance, speaking of Muslims who follow a strict interpretation of Sharia law.[46]

On 30 May, leaders of Northern Ireland's Muslim community met with Robinson at Stormont Castle and accepted his clarification of the situation. He also accepted an invitation to the Belfast Islamic Centre.[47] [48] After meeting members of the Islamic community he said he would be visiting the Centre again, a place where he felt welcome and respected
 

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Peace professor? he who opposed peace in Northern Ireland and opposed the GFA. He also has a very violent past
I believe in drawing line over what anyone did or said during the Troubles, though I do judge them by what they did afterwards, the "Chuckle Brothers" era was the brightest in Northern Ireland's history and he brought it to end, playing the tribalist card in order to get away with bringing the DUP into the economic Right after shafting Paisley Senior who was genuine about making real peace after he had shafted the UUP. Anyway this is a classic piece of "implausible deniability" for Peter Robinson during the Troubles;

[video=youtube;w970p2wfKFs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w970p2wfKFs[/video]
 

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I believe in drawing line over what anyone did or said during the Troubles, though I do judge them by what they did afterwards, the "Chuckle Brothers" era was the brightest in Northern Ireland's history and he brought it to end, playing the tribalist card in order to get away with bringing the DUP into the economic Right after shafting Paisley Senior who was genuine about making real peace after he had shafted the UUP. Anyway this is a classic piece of "implausible deniability" for Peter Robinson during the Troubles;

[video=youtube;w970p2wfKFs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w970p2wfKFs[/video]
What terrorism were the UVF countering when the shot Peter Ward for being a Catholic in 1966?
Unionists spent the conflict pulling such hypocrisy.
 

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I believe in drawing line over what anyone did or said during the Troubles,
Totally agree with that, clean slates for all. But to be made a 'professor of peace' is a laughable, especially after opposing peace and the GFA as late as 1998.
 

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What terrorism were the UVF countering when the shot Peter Ward for being a Catholic in 1966?
Unionists spent the conflict pulling such hypocrisy.
Cruimh will explain it you- obviously Ulster Unionists and Loyalists are the most hypocritical group in Western Europe though. I accept that.

An interesting fact is that actually one of the biggest votes Sinn Fein got was in the 1950s primarily out of anger surrounding the disgusting way Catholic ex-Service men were treated after World War II. However because over romantic Southerners launched the "Border Campaign" that vote collapsed. The fact that Unionism and Loyalism were the ones who basically brought on the Troubles is something that you will NEVER get the likes of "Castle Ray" to admit no mind Cruimh.
 


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