Northern Ireland: the ball and chain that binds the Brexit Bulldog

[Wascurito]

The penny is slowly dropping on Planet Brexiteer that Brexit isn't going to turn out the way they'd envisaged. If you fail to prepare, as Roy Keane would say, you prepare to fail and they have elevated failure-to-prepare into an art form.

The agreement reached earlier this month is to be made legally binding and that will severely restrict the options for the UK post-Brexit. It faces being tied to the EU while having no say in the rules governing it - a vassal state in the words of Boris Johnson this morning.

The choice is clear for the Brexiteers: if the Sceptred Isle is to rent its fetters in twain, that'll include breaking the chains that bind Blighty to Northern Ireland. That's one circle that can't be squared.

 

[derryman]

The penny is slowly dropping on Planet Brexiteer that Brexit isn't going to turn out the way they'd envisaged. If you fail to prepare, as Roy Keane would say, you prepare to fail and they have elevated failure-to-prepare into an art form.

The agreement reached earlier this month is to be made legally binding and that will severely restrict the options for the UK post-Brexit. It faces being tied to the EU while having no say in the rules governing it - a vassal state in the words of Boris Johnson this morning.

The choice is clear for the Brexiteers: if the Sceptred Isle is to rent its fetters in twain, that'll include breaking the chains that bind Blighty to Northern Ireland. That's one circle that can't be squared.

Like I said this is the slowly dropping penny.
Why do you think everyone on these islands except the irish are in a tizzy.

 

[Deadlock]

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The agreement reached earlier this month is to be made legally binding and that will severely restrict the options for the UK post-Brexit. It faces being tied to the EU while having no say in the rules governing it - a vassal state in the words of Boris Johnson this morning.
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Of course, the term 'fax democracy' is preferred but yeah ...

 

[ruserious]

There is a CNR majority in NI in the under 50 bracket. The writing is on the wall. A United Ireland will happen one day. The U.K. Must decide if cementing their future as a vassal State of the EU is worth another 20/30 years of holding onto the North.

 

[death or glory]

Like I said this is the slowly dropping penny.
Why do you think everyone on these islands except the irish are in a tizzy.

Well you'se seem to be the one's obsessed with it.
The British people have made the decision to leave Europe, its up to the politicians now to get it done with as little upheaval as possible.
Northern Ireland is still part of the United Kingdom and there is no desire by unionists to leave the UK.
Northern Ireland still exports 4 times as much to the mainland as over the border to Eire.

 

[Wascurito]

There is a CNR majority in NI in the under 50 bracket. The writing is on the wall. A United Ireland will happen one day. The U.K. Must decide if cementing their future as a vassal State of the EU is worth another 20/30 years of holding onto the North.

And Dublin should be preparing for this and building up reserves to deal with that eventuality. We're still running budget deficits....

 

[silverharp]

fck that, NI should come debt free and a 50billion dowry , even at that i doubt i'd be in favor of it

 

[Wascurito]

Well you'se seem to be the one's obsessed with it.
The British people have made the decision to leave Europe, its up to the politicians now to get it done with as little upheaval as possible.
Northern Ireland is still part of the United Kingdom and there is no desire by unionists to leave the UK.
Northern Ireland still exports 4 times as much to the mainland as over the border to Eire.

The wheels are rapidly coming off this wagon. If Brexit is to be meaningful in any way for the Island of Britain (which in contrast to NI did vote for Brexit), it'll have to be done without NI. Only this temporary little arrangement with the DUP prevented that 13 days ago but it hasn't gone away.

 

[ruserious]

And Dublin should be preparing for this and building up reserves to deal with that eventuality. We're still running budget deficits....

There should be a Junior Minister within the Dept of an Taoiseach with responsibility for Unification. This could be elevated to a full minister if and when the CNR community is a majority. Organisations such as the HSE, an bord planála (sic) should be at that point required to draw up plans how their organisations can transition to an all island State.

 

[gleeful]

The UK will most likely end up in a permanent transition 'parking orbit', and be even more dependent on EU exports than now.

Northern Ireland will save the UK from Brexit

 

[GDPR]

There should be a Junior Minister within the Dept of an Taoiseach with responsibility for Unification. This could be elevated to a full minister if and when the CNR community is a majority. Organisations such as the HSE, an bord planála (sic) should be at that point required to draw up plans how their organisations can transition to an all island State.

And also getting help from the EU for restructuring and reforming vital organisations such as healthcare. Indeed such restructuring should be done before reunification as part of the carrot to ensure votes for reunification. It will help those in the 26 counties too.

 

[Wascurito]

There should be a Junior Minister within the Dept of an Taoiseach with responsibility for Unification. This could be elevated to a full minister if and when the CNR community is a majority. Organisations such as the HSE, an bord planála (sic) should be at that point required to draw up plans how their organisations can transition to an all island State.

All good points. They would just need to be handled discreetly though. We can't be trumpeting this from the rooftops.

 

[Wascurito]

The UK will most likely end up in a permanent transition 'parking orbit', and be even more dependent on EU exports than now.

Northern Ireland will save the UK from Brexit

A vassal state.

The United Protectorate of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

 

[ruserious]

A vassal state.

The United Protectorate of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The term "United" is severely doubted now too.

 

[EUrJokingMeRight]

fck that, NI should come debt free and a 50billion dowry , even at that i doubt i'd be in favor of it

50 Billion in Dowry?

Is that near Newry? Traffic must be awful Ted!

 

[gleeful]

A vassal state.

The United Protectorate of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

At least pregnant Britons will be able to travel to Belfast to give birth, ensuring their child can apply for an Irish passport.

 

[Se0samh]

At least pregnant Britons will be able to travel to Belfast to give birth, ensuring their child can apply for an Irish passport.

They'll still need a significant connection to Ireland(32) other than that...

 

[Deleted member 39930]

All good points. They would just need to be handled discreetly though. We can't be trumpeting this from the rooftops.

I disagree. We should be trumpeting it from the roof tops. The earlier this conversation takes place, the better for everyone in the future.

 

[raetsel]

Well you'se seem to be the one's obsessed with it.
The British people have made the decision to leave Europe, its up to the politicians now to get it done with as little upheaval as possible.
Northern Ireland is still part of the United Kingdom and there is no desire by unionists to leave the UK.
Northern Ireland still exports 4 times as much to the mainland as over the border to Eire.

This sounds like the despairing yelp of the bulldog's mongrel pup.

 

[former wesleyan]

You have a brain on a par with Paul Golding and Jim Dowson.
Little upheaval as possible is funny,as is "Northern Ireland is still part of the United Kingdom and there is no desire by unionists to leave the UK"
What happens when the majority decide to leave and the inevitable United Ireland arrives?

Civil war ?