Notre Dame Cathedral on fire



roc_

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 5, 2009
Messages
6,369
Notre Dame took about 200 years to build by 100s of real, old school craftsmen. To think we can emulate anything like it with current techniques is just wishful thinking.
 

Beachcomber

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 11, 2010
Messages
10,769
Most secularist don’t condone such dramatic language and emotional attachment to inanimate objects.

Apparently it can be rebuilt so that’s all grand then.

Well, it is just a building.

As others have noted, many historical buildings have burned down over the centuries, and not all have been restored to their original form.

Maybe a new style cathedral will be built using whatever walls survive as a base. I can't see anyone attempting to rebuild it to match the way it looked before the fire.
 

Beachcomber

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 11, 2010
Messages
10,769
Notre Dame took about 200 years to build by 100s of real, old school craftsmen. To think we can emulate anything like it with current techniques is just wishful thinking.
True. At most they will build a modern style cathedral, and maybe incorporate whatever base elements remain after the fire.
 

willow68

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 8, 2012
Messages
1,856
The Cologne cathedral wasn't burned in the way that Notre Dame is being burned.

The damage to the Cologne cathedral was bad, but limited. It wasn't razed to the ground, and didn't have its insides completely burned.

The cost to repair Notre Dame will be massive, and I'm not sure that there is an appetite to spend so much money on restoration of it.
Shur instead of spending it on economic migrants we could spend it on the rebuild. Maybe invite them to work there. .lol.
 
D

Deleted member 34656

Are there any nice images of those things?
Well, yes.

If you’re an investigator, these are often all the unbiased evidence you have to go on.

Witness testimonies being so unreliable, as is well documented.
 

caledhel

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 21, 2014
Messages
2,216
It's so tragic, a monument of human civilisation and a centre of French identity. It is such a loss, such a terrible loss. Paris becomes a lesser world city tonight. The heart of Paris is in flames.

As to the cause - was there anyone working there at the time? Who set out the work and the safety programme? Was a risk assessment done? What readily combustible causing materials would be kept in an area of high risk? Modern construction methods - especially those deployed in sensitive works such as this - would rigorously control risks that would cause something like this.
 

willow68

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 8, 2012
Messages
1,856
It's so tragic, a monument of human civilisation and a centre of French identity. It is such a loss, such a terrible loss. Paris becomes a lesser world city tonight. The heart of Paris is in flames.

As to the cause - was there anyone working there at the time? Who set out the work and the safety programme? Was a risk assessment done? What readily combustible causing materials would be kept in an area of high risk? Modern construction methods - especially those deployed in sensitive works such as this - would rigorously control risks that would cause something like this.
Don't be naive.
 

Malcolm Redfellow

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 29, 2009
Messages
4,340
Website
redfellow.blogspot.com
Twitter
mredfellow
The cost to repair Notre Dame will be massive, and I'm not sure that there is an appetite to spend so much money on restoration of it.
Notre-Dame de Paris is more than a structure. I may not live to see it, but I'd reckon a fair facsimile will rise one the site. The 12th-century glass — the building's great treasure — is a different matter.

Alternatively, there's the parallel of Coventry. As a ruin, it is a greater conceit than the fine original could ever be.

What ought to gripe, to frighten is the speed with which the 'usual suspects' exploited the occasion to pronounce disgusting conspiracy speculations.

Upstream from Notre-Dame, on Île de la Cité, is/was the Mémorial des Martyrs de la Déportation, to the 200,000 Jews, gypsies, gay men, political opponents and Spanish republicans who were sent by from occupied France, and Vichy, to the concentration camps. There, for one example, is why the Roman Catholic edifice is more than a place of religion. Similarly, one only needs to wander the quays along the Seine to spot the tablets noting where members of the Resistancedied in taking on the Nazis, 19-25 August 1944.

It isn't necessary to dig back to Napoleon's coronation to realise Notre-Dame is a very political shrine.
 

Lagertha

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 23, 2017
Messages
4,458
I was listening to Ken Follet on Sky news earlier, he wrote The Pillars of the Earth which is a fascinating book on the building of Medieval cathedrals and how they had to invent the tools as they went along, it's well worth a read but it's a huge book. He had to do a lot of research into the subject and he described the way that the building was going to collapse in great detail. Unfortunately he was right and just after he'd finished speaking it was announced that the building couldn't be saved. So sad that such a wonderful building has been lost. 850 years later we simply don't have people capable of that kind of craftsmanship.
 

raetsel

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 5, 2017
Messages
9,097
Where is Anne Hidalgo, Paris's Socialist mayor in this crisis?
Waste no opportunity to give the left a kicking, eh? Just a well it wasn't St Paul's Cathedral...................... You and a few other suspects would now be forming a lynch mob to take out Sadiq Khan! :)
 

derm0t

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 2, 2009
Messages
333
Dame "let's drop water on the roof" Enda (thank Christ you're not in charge in Paris) handing out red cards
to socialists as the cathedral burns; a grade-A imbecile, along with pabalito "it's just a buidling".

Well pab, you're just a cretin, doesn't mean I want to set you on fire.
 

Beachcomber

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 11, 2010
Messages
10,769
Shur instead of spending it on economic migrants we could spend it on the rebuild. Maybe invite them to work there. .lol.

The original was built by labour with little/no rights.

Maybe get the Quataris to rebuild it, using cheap labour. They have lots of recent experience of that.
 

Beachcomber

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 11, 2010
Messages
10,769
It's so tragic, a monument of human civilisation and a centre of French identity. It is such a loss, such a terrible loss. Paris becomes a lesser world city tonight. The heart of Paris is in flames.

As to the cause - was there anyone working there at the time? Who set out the work and the safety programme? Was a risk assessment done? What readily combustible causing materials would be kept in an area of high risk? Modern construction methods - especially those deployed in sensitive works such as this - would rigorously control risks that would cause something like this.


Not necessarily.

Risks are not always "rigorously controlled". Sometimes the convenient thing is done, as opposed to the right thing. We've seen that over and over again, across the world. It often comes down to money.
 

Beachcomber

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 11, 2010
Messages
10,769
I was listening to Ken Follet on Sky news earlier, he wrote The Pillars of the Earth which is a fascinating book on the building of Medieval cathedrals and how they had to invent the tools as they went along, it's well worth a read but it's a huge book. He had to do a lot of research into the subject and he described the way that the building was going to collapse in great detail. Unfortunately he was right and just after he'd finished speaking it was announced that the building couldn't be saved. So sad that such a wonderful building has been lost. 850 years later we simply don't have people capable of that kind of craftsmanship.

But why dream of building a replica of the cathedral? Why not build a modern cathedral on the site?

New buildings were built on the sites of old destroyed buildings over the centuries.
 

Dame_Enda

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 14, 2011
Messages
54,549
Police say the twin towers at front of cathedral are now safe.
 

Beachcomber

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 11, 2010
Messages
10,769
Notre-Dame de Paris is more than a structure. I may not live to see it, but I'd reckon a fair facsimile will rise one the site. The 12th-century glass — the building's great treasure — is a different matter.

Alternatively, there's the parallel of Coventry. As a ruin, it is a greater conceit than the fine original could ever be.

What ought to gripe, to frighten is the speed with which the 'usual suspects' exploited the occasion to pronounce disgusting conspiracy speculations.

Upstream from Notre-Dame, on Île de la Cité, is/was the Mémorial des Martyrs de la Déportation, to the 200,000 Jews, gypsies, gay men, political opponents and Spanish republicans who were sent by from occupied France, and Vichy, to the concentration camps. There, for one example, is why the Roman Catholic edifice is more than a place of religion. Similarly, one only needs to wander the quays along the Seine to spot the tablets noting where members of the Resistancedied in taking on the Nazis, 19-25 August 1944.

It isn't necessary to dig back to Napoleon's coronation to realise Notre-Dame is a very political shrine.

Do you think that an exact replica of the pre-fire cathedral should be built?
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top