- Sep 21, 2014
Les pompiers faire honneur à France.
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Any human being would. We can all acknowledge that Grenfell Tower was an infinitely more awful tragedy.We spent the past few day in Valencia visiting historical and modern sites.. then travel to Barcelona tomorrow till the weekend to visit more historical and cultural sites .. I spent half an hour this afternoon marvelling at the huge old wooden gates of Los Torres de Serranos and the precise stone carving that accomodated the long gone Port Cullis..
However, I still place a far higher value on human life and realise that material things come and go and nothing is forever.. a catheredral can be rebuilt or replaced just as has happened throughout history.. Notre Dame was just a building and thankfully nobody lost their life tonight but I imagine many lost their lives during it's construction.
That's true but these buildings are not static in time either. For instance, the spire, which everyone was so shocked to see fall this evening, was a much later addition which many people at the time hated.We will do it and it will take a tenth of the time.
Simply put we have technology they couldn't dream off. The building has been measured and photos taken of every inch. We can manufacture and design in days what would take teams years.
My thing is it's all a facsimile. It's the history that makes it special. It's almost a millennium of human endevour.
It's heavy with time.
The only thing that does that is more time.
Going by some of the footage from inside the cathedral it seemed unimaginable to be inside - yet a team of them were, trying to save the structure by complementing the work being done from the outside.Sorry to hear that. Judging by news reports, firemen were facing big risks which is why I included (yet) in the earlier post.
As I said, there's one long side which borders a narrow, built up street, and it's all very densely populated after that.Do you consider it wise that firemen should risk their lives to save a building which poses no risk to human life?
I think most people realise that of course. I don't think it matters in the slightest that it looks different now from what it may have looked like on completion. It's the continuity that's important, and the achievement and skills of mostly forgotten architects and tradesmen from centuries ago that you cannot help but venerate.There's almost nothing in the edifice that was there when it was first built. Is there really a qualitative difference in the work that will (hopefully) be done in the next whatever years and the fact of replacing it bit by bit over two or three centuries as and when bits fall off it?
Yes but I think the fire is - or will be - part of its history. When Victor Hugo wrote "Notre Dame", the place was falling apart. The repairs since then have been as much part of its history as the cathedral at Rheims being destroyed in the war and then rebuilt.I think most people realise that of course. I don't think it matters in the slightest that it looks different now from what it may have looked like on completion. It's the continuity that's important, and the achievement and skills of mostly forgotten architects and tradesmen from centuries ago that you cannot help but venerate.
They have been. Letting it burn itself out would put a far greater number at risk, almost inevitably leading to casualties. It could become uncontrollable. That's why there was felt to be a need for fire brigades in the first place.I'm sure anybody living nearby would have been evacuated.
That takes a lot of courage.Going by some of the footage from inside the cathedral it seemed unimaginable to be inside - yet a team of them were, trying to save the structure by complementing the work being done from the outside.
It’s about much more than just being paid for it.You're labouring this.
Nobody wants to see firemen die. But they are paid to take calculated risks. As are soldiers. And policemen. And construction workers. And miners. Etc. ad nauseum.