Novel Idea - all Govt or EU funded jobs to be offered to the unemployed

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How is this for a novel idea, all jobs, permanent, temporary, full and part time which are funded in whole or in part by government departments and/or through EU funding should be reserved for suitably qualified candidates who are currently unemployed. This would include those on the live register and those whose Job Seekers benefit has run out and are no longer counted as unemployed as they are no longer in receipt of social welfare payments, plus the previously self employed who fall through the net.

The Irish Times on October 7th, reported Emmet Stagg’s attempts to get a committment from the government that the census enumerator posts and other census related posts would be recruited from the live register. Mr Curran refused to give this undertaking.

Perhaps I am being unnecessarily suspicious and more than a little cynical but to me this smells like another bout of FF cronyism, are these jobs being divvied out to the usual suspects, ex public sector employees in receipt of massive pensions, their friends, family members and those currently employed in the public sector?

With at least one bye-election called and a general election looming, all casual jobs at polling booths and at the counts should be filled by the unemployed.

I would further extend this policy to all organisations which receive the bulk of their funding from the government and/or EU agencies, and exam supervisors and enumerators at all State and University exams.

All those currently employed in the State or semi-state sector or in receipt of a public sector pension would be ineligible for these roles.

I understand that many years ago a similar policy existed, when the unemployed signed on at what were then called Labour Exchanges, they were sent to fill this type of vacancy. This role was later transferred to FAS which, as we all know, has failed to fulfil any of its responsibilities to the unemployed.
 


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Excellent idea, but dont expect the elites to give this sort of idea any light.
 

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Probably against EU competition or tendering rules.
 

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That's a brilliant idea, yes unemployed plumbers could lecture our civil engineering students in hydrology. Unemployed construction workers could lecture in architecture. Really you deserve a medal for your idea.!!
 

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Or one could allow the filling of posts by the most suitable candidates, with the jobs they leave being filled by suitable candidates for those, and so on. See, if the government funds 1000 jobs, then take on 1000 people who are already in employment, they've opened up 1000 other job vacancies, and so on until you get a job vacancy that actually suits the unemployed person and which they are suited for.

The argument works better for temporary low-skilled posts like census takers, polling clerks, and the like - but in general you'll find those posts are only taken up by those who need the extra bit of cash and have time on their hands anyway.

That's what a job market does - matches posts to suitable applicants. Ring-fencing some jobs for specific people is usually a non-optimal approach.
 

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That's a brilliant idea, yes unemployed plumbers could lecture our civil engineering students in hydrology. Unemployed construction workers could lecture in architecture. Really you deserve a medal for your idea.!!
Exam supervisors and casual jobs at polling booths aren't the same as lecturers. What's wrong with this idea?
 

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Exam supervisors and casual jobs at polling booths aren't the same as lecturers. What's wrong with this idea?
Because it's unfair on those who are employed. Any job working for the state like this is great for work experience, especially for college graduates looking to get into certain areas. Why should people who are currently working in crap jobs be told they can't apply for such jobs if they want to?
 

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Because it's unfair on those who are employed. Any job working for the state like this is great for work experience, especially for college graduates looking to get into certain areas. Why should people who are currently working in crap jobs be told they can't apply for such jobs if they want to?
What about the unemployed graduates, surely they're in more need of this experience than those still in education. We're in danger of creating a situation where recent graduates are left behind as time goes on.
 

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That's a brilliant idea, yes unemployed plumbers could lecture our civil engineering students in hydrology. Unemployed construction workers could lecture in architecture. Really you deserve a medal for your idea.!!
Read my post, I refer to "suitably qualified" candidates.
 

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Because it's unfair on those who are employed. Any job working for the state like this is great for work experience, especially for college graduates looking to get into certain areas. Why should people who are currently working in crap jobs be told they can't apply for such jobs if they want to?
Why would somebody who is currently employed give up a job for a temporary/casual job in the census, polling booth or an exam hall?
 

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Why would somebody who is currently employed give up a job for a temporary/casual job in the census, polling booth or an exam hall?
Well, if they won't, then the people who take those jobs will normally be the unemployed, so the problem has presumably solved itself without intervention.
 

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Well, if they won't, then the people who take those jobs will normally be the unemployed, so the problem has presumably solved itself without intervention.
Not necessarily, many of these jobs go to public servants, nurses, guards, firemen, teachers, etc and to those in receipt of public sector pensions. What I am suggesting is that where there is a suitably qualified unemployed candidate that the unemployed person is given preference and that double jobbing is eliminated.
 

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ahh yes who could forget FAS,you should be careful as any of these plans put into action can be quickly ruined by the reality of bad politics,look at our FF buffons.

And anyway,state agencies like FAS return no revenue,there is no tax return as the droves of unemployed working there only get to keep their dole,no payments now lads!

FAS is a great employment robbery.They steal jobs from the unemployed,by sucking up all the tax returnable jobs and replacing it with free labour!What business is going to turn around and get rid of fas(providing the freebie workers)and give YOU a job?
All the students from DIT or wherever better be careful as when they finish college the only jobs left might be those faux ones.

FAS is a jobs scam being honest and they have been responsible for consigning those who should be working class to a life time of poverty.

Not to mention it cost the tax payer a few quid.

Employers are also skeptical of hiring the FAS 'graduate',due to ex cons and spoofed exam results..read here .. Not one graduate of €39m Fás scheme employed | Irish Examiner


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How is this for a novel idea, all jobs, permanent, temporary, full and part time which are funded in whole or in part by government departments and/or through EU funding should be reserved for suitably qualified candidates who are currently unemployed. This would include those on the live register and those whose Job Seekers benefit has run out and are no longer counted as unemployed as they are no longer in receipt of social welfare payments, plus the previously self employed who fall through the net.

The Irish Times on October 7th, reported Emmet Stagg’s attempts to get a committment from the government that the census enumerator posts and other census related posts would be recruited from the live register. Mr Curran refused to give this undertaking.

Perhaps I am being unnecessarily suspicious and more than a little cynical but to me this smells like another bout of FF cronyism, are these jobs being divvied out to the usual suspects, ex public sector employees in receipt of massive pensions, their friends, family members and those currently employed in the public sector?

With at least one bye-election called and a general election looming, all casual jobs at polling booths and at the counts should be filled by the unemployed.

I would further extend this policy to all organisations which receive the bulk of their funding from the government and/or EU agencies, and exam supervisors and enumerators at all State and University exams.

All those currently employed in the State or semi-state sector or in receipt of a public sector pension would be ineligible for these roles.

I understand that many years ago a similar policy existed, when the unemployed signed on at what were then called Labour Exchanges, they were sent to fill this type of vacancy. This role was later transferred to FAS which, as we all know, has failed to fulfil any of its responsibilities to the unemployed.
F*ck the young, in other words?
 

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Retired teachers seem to be the usual suspects when it comes to positions such as census takers etc..
 

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That's a brilliant idea, yes unemployed plumbers could lecture our civil engineering students in hydrology. Unemployed construction workers could lecture in architecture. Really you deserve a medal for your idea.!!
cutting out people on reasonable good state pensions from doing census work, or exam supervision work seems like a very good idea.

Why did you pick on lecturers in your example?
You were going for the most over-paid under-worked group you could think of?
 


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