Now this is Barking Mad! - PC sues for Discrimination - which shows PC just gets Madder!

JCR

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Why? When will they need to run 10 miles? I’d have thought sprint tests would be far more useful. Sprint tests and then carrying the 35kg dog makes sense. Lots of cases when that could come up. 0 where any officer anywhere will have to run 10 miles.
Its a fitness endurance test. Recruits need a certain level of fitness, the level that would enable them to run 10 miles for example. So you test them on that.
 


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Its a fitness endurance test. Recruits need a certain level of fitness, the level that would enable them to run 10 miles for example. So you test them on that.
Why? When would a police officer need that? What use is a street cop who can jog 10 miles but can’t sprint 400 metres in 90 seconds?
 

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Why? When would a police officer need that? What use is a street cop who can jog 10 miles but can’t sprint 400 metres in 90 seconds?
Not meaning to be smart but I don't think you have a grip on what fitness is or why it is needed and measured in certain ways really. Google is your friend.
 

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That is the way it is in the Irish Defence Forces and when Coveney was minister he said we needed to "look again"the female fitness requirement just to increase the number of women. He gave no reason why we needed to increase the number of women but then virtue signalling is its own reward. No one seems to have asked why the standards are lower for women and asked whether this lowers standards.
There's an old adage regarding combat - military forces, contact sports, et al. "The tougher a fighting person's training is, the better chance they have of survival when it comes down to it". Lesser requirements do nothing for anyone other than the supposedly politically correct. Personally, if I was in a position to require military assistance, I'd prefer to have the Rangers on my side than the FCA
 

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Its just not Fair!:cry:

WPC Kim-Louise Carter was awarded £15,000 after failing a fitness test which involved a 10-mile run, then carrying a dog over a course before running with it a further 100 yards.

Now 'Police forces must change the way they recruit dog handlers after a female officer won a landmark sex-discrimination case showing that the system was too “tough” for some women
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Police to review tests for dog handlers to avoid discrimination

Then recruit some Tougher Women!

She wants to be a Dog Handler BTW

- but its all a bit too much for her....

Cant see why she should get a special dispensation just because she is a woman....

Its fact of life that many of us would 'like' to follow particular career paths or specialise within the one we have

- and just might not have the skills set required to do it

Life's a Bitch

- get over it!:roll:
The Gardai are gone the same way, a bunch of pussies now with some of the smallest Gardai ever seen who are too afraid to take on anyone!

We need to bring back the tough height restrictions and also mandatory Irish as well as a tough fitness test for people who want to become Gardai.

Males should be at least 6'3" and females at least 5'10" and both able to run a sub 4 minute cross-country mile. Both should also be involved in their school and local sports whether it is GAA, Boxing clubs, athletics or other sports, they must be fit enough to take on the scummers who don't work and can spend all day working out.
 

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This is ridiculous. When they are treated equal, they complain of discrimination. So what is it they want?
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Girl power. Just about sums it up.
 

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The Gardai are gone the same way, a bunch of pussies now with some of the smallest Gardai ever seen who are too afraid to take on anyone!

We need to bring back the tough height restrictions and also mandatory Irish as well as a tough fitness test for people who want to become Gardai.

Males should be at least 6'3" and females at least 5'10" and both able to run a sub 4 minute cross-country mile. Both should also be involved in their school and local sports whether it is GAA, Boxing clubs, athletics or other sports, they must be fit enough to take on the scummers who don't work and can spend all day working out.
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The Gardai are gone the same way, a bunch of pussies now with some of the smallest Gardai ever seen who are too afraid to take on anyone!

We need to bring back the tough height restrictions and also mandatory Irish as well as a tough fitness test for people who want to become Gardai.

Males should be at least 6'3" and females at least 5'10" and both able to run a sub 4 minute cross-country mile. Both should also be involved in their school and local sports whether it is GAA, Boxing clubs, athletics or other sports, they must be fit enough to take on the scummers who don't work and can spend all day working out.
6'3 MALES COME ON FFS when i was young i was 5'11" 14st fit now shrinking , but anyone 6'3" and normal build wouldn't have bothered me .You need to look at over all muscle compact weight also .Women 5'10" still too tall 5'7" is fine .I agree the gardai can be pussies but with all the new technology on phones and useless judges its becoming a demoralisng job .The do gooder pc ************************bags have the system rigged for the criminals , plus having senile , gob************************e judges with no cop on are wrecking havoc .
 

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The judge did say that the test must be either modified or its necessity justified.
The latter is reasonable. The former is only "fair" if the physical demands are reduced for men as well.
then theyll have to make a law that fit people cant be criminals as well.... ;);):)
 

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Not really. If you need to run this length (Or similar exertion) carrying the dog as part of the job, everyone should have to do it. But it's a reasonable request that you need to justify the test.

It's a dog handling cop job. In what scenario will that dog handler need to run 10 miles? Carrying the dog makes sense for 100 yards. The 10 miles not so much.

For instance: If I open up a position in an accountancy firm and make people do a 100 pushups before doing an accountancy test to get the job: I'm going to get no fat people in the firm. It's constructive discrimination by setting an unnecessary requirement that eliminates much of the population. Everyone's done the same test, but is that test reasonable to be an accountant.

The fact that it's a woman isn't relevant really. If it was a guy who couldn't make the 10 miles but was great at all the other stuff, they'd have the same reasonable challenge.

There's a much better discussion in the US around tests and challenges for things like the Marines, where there are different standards for no apparent reason.
Did you not read the article?
 

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The female PC concerned failed the initiative test anyway. The correct response was to call in a helicopter.
 

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Why do we have to be treated to the latest rubbishy anecdote from the Daily Mail or the Daily Torygraph?

We know their agenda, we know Cattlepest's agenda, so this is all a thundering bore, and a waste of site-space.

Zoo, along with most the thread Cattlepest starts.
Says the yoke that spent 2016 cutting and pasting propaganda links from fake news about Hillary and how she’s going to win.

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It's a dog handling cop job. In what scenario will that dog handler need to run 10 miles? Carrying the dog makes sense for 100 yards. The 10 miles not so much.
Lawyers for the three forces insisted that a key requirement for the job of dog handlers was being physically fit because they often track criminals over long periods of time in often across demanding terrains with the added challenge of a suspect resisting arrest when eventually caught
 

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I was in Naas just now, there was a cop standing on the street who had a corporation on him that would feed a small country, he would track a criminal over the distance to the chipper and that would be it.
 

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The Gardai are gone the same way, a bunch of pussies now with some of the smallest Gardai ever seen who are too afraid to take on anyone!

We need to bring back the tough height restrictions and also mandatory Irish as well as a tough fitness test for people who want to become Gardai.

Males should be at least 6'3" and females at least 5'10" and both able to run a sub 4 minute cross-country mile. Both should also be involved in their school and local sports whether it is GAA, Boxing clubs, athletics or other sports, they must be fit enough to take on the scummers who don't work and can spend all day working out.
And shoot lasers from their eyes and have telekinesis powers
 

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Is there an argument to be made that a police force needs both men and women, and that it should strive to get the best of each? Women are entitled to be policed by women, and policing is about far more than physical fitness...otherwise we'd have Robocops.

In choosing men and women, a minimum standard for men's fitness and a separate standard for women, recognising biological reality, should be set. Arguing that a man should qualify because he can meet a woman's standard, is to argue for the needless lowering of standards for men.
 

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Is there an argument to be made that a police force needs both men and women, and that it should strive to get the best of each? Women are entitled to be policed by women, and policing is about far more than physical fitness...otherwise we'd have Robocops.

In choosing men and women, a minimum standard for men's fitness and a separate standard for women, recognising biological reality, should be set. Arguing that a man should qualify because he can meet a woman's standard, is to argue for the needless lowering of standards for men.
If there's a physical job to do then everyone employed to take on that job has to be able to do it, otherwise they themselves become an extra liability and possibly danger for everyone else involved.
 

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If there's a physical job to do then everyone employed to take on that job has to be able to do it, otherwise they themselves become an extra liability and possibly danger for everyone else involved.
I find it hard to believe that if a woman could carry the dog only 80 yards, that it would endanger anybody. Maybe provide a lighter dog?
 

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Is there an argument to be made that a police force needs both men and women, and that it should strive to get the best of each? Women are entitled to be policed by women, and policing is about far more than physical fitness...otherwise we'd have Robocops.

In choosing men and women, a minimum standard for men's fitness and a separate standard for women, recognising biological reality, should be set. Arguing that a man should qualify because he can meet a woman's standard, is to argue for the needless lowering of standards for men.
Would you use the same argument for the armed forces?
 


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