Nurses strike February 2017

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"We've had enough": Nurses have voted overwhelmingly in favour of industrial action

So in two months time, beginning of February with one day strikes and work to rule.

Not surprising considering how effective strikes have been for other workers.

Health Minister Simon Harris isn't happy.
“It will not reduce the numbers of patients on trolleys in Emergency Departments, will not reduce the waiting lists or improve service delivery and could lead to the cancellation of elective surgeries,” he said after the result was announced.

Out of all the recent strikes, Gardaí, Bus Drivers, Teachers, Nurses I'd argue have had to endure the worst working conditions by far in recent years.

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Seems this ballot to strike was about staffing levels and not pay related.
https://www.google.ie/amp/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/inmo-members-vote-in-favour-of-industrial-action-by-90-768769.html?client=safari
 
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I would agree that nurses generally have a tough working environment. In my own recent personal experience I became very aware of their dedication their patience and their total professionalism. I admire them immensely and would wish that they are adequately rewarded for their work. However I have no insight as to whether striking is justified or not.
 

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Worse than bus drivers and teachers without a doubt I think. I don't know enough about the guards' working conditions but if they're regularly in dangerous situations and unarmed, that's kind of a hard one to beat really.

But I agree that nurses probably deserve better than they mostly get.

What I wanted to know was how a nurses' or a doctors' strike works in Ireland? Here a minimum-service staff will always be requisitioned by the Prefect, so they basically work almost as normal, though the non emergency stuff risks being cancelled, and the striking staff who are in work "against their will" wear a black armband, to show they're on strike. I presume there has to be something similar, if only because the first actual death caused by the strike would be disastrous in terms of public relations.
 

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I would agree that nurses generally have a tough working environment. In my own recent personal experience I became very aware of their dedication their patience and their total professionalism. I admire them immensely and would wish that they are adequately rewarded for their work. However I have no insight as to whether striking is justified or not.
Ok Derrymqn what's an adequate reward ?
 

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I'm sorry but the INMO are no heroes here. They steadfastly refuse to allow increased numbers of Healthcare Assistants in hospitals. They refuse to allow the development of theatre assistants. The ratio of nurses to HCAs on many wards is 10:1. The international norm is 6:4. We have enough nurses, we simply do not have enough of other grades. They INMO don't want more HCAs as they would not be paying union subs to the INMO.

The 'nursing shortage' is a myth. However, we have highly trained nurses undertaking tasks better done by their able HCA colleagues.

Direct patient care; washing, bed changing, feeding. These are vital tasks that strongly influence the patient's opinion of the quality of their care. However, they do not require a Graduate Nurse. However, the INMO essentially demand that our university trained colleagues spend a large period of their day completing tasks such as these. It is beyond crazy.

It makes no sense...unless you follow the money. All the way back to the INMO head office.
 

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I'm sorry but the INMO are no heroes here. They steadfastly refise to allow increased numbers of Healthcare Assistants in hospitals. They refuse to allow the development of theatre assistants. The ratio of nurses to HCAs on many wards is 10:1. The international norm is 6:4. We have enough nurses, we simply do not have enough of other grades. They INMO don't want more HCAs as they would not be paying union subs to the INMO.

The 'nursing shortage' is a myth. However, we have highly trained nurses undertaking tasks better done by their able HCA colleagues.

Direct patient care; washing, bed changing, feeding. These are vital tasks that strongly influence the patient's opinion of the quality of their care. However, they do not require a Graduate Nurse. However, the INMO essentially demand that our university trained colleagues spend a large period of their day completing tasks such as these. It is beyond crazy.

It makes no sense...unless you follow the money. All the way back to the INMO head office.
I agree that we should have more HCA's. Many of whom earn more than newly qualified nurses FYI.

But there's an acute shortage of nurses in the big cities and in areas like ICU, Oncology, Midwifery, A/E. These areas need highly skilled nurses not HCA's.
 
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I'm sorry but the INMO are no heroes here. They steadfastly refuse to allow increased numbers of Healthcare Assistants in hospitals. They refuse to allow the development of theatre assistants. The ratio of nurses to HCAs on many wards is 10:1. The international norm is 6:4. We have enough nurses, we simply do not have enough of other grades. They INMO don't want more HCAs as they would not be paying union subs to the INMO.

The 'nursing shortage' is a myth. However, we have highly trained nurses undertaking tasks better done by their able HCA colleagues.

Direct patient care; washing, bed changing, feeding. These are vital tasks that strongly influence the patient's opinion of the quality of their care. However, they do not require a Graduate Nurse. However, the INMO essentially demand that our university trained colleagues spend a large period of their day completing tasks such as these. It is beyond crazy.

It makes no sense...unless you follow the money. All the way back to the INMO head office.
All done by care assistants (who are required to obtain a Fetac cert).

Sorry, I'm struggling to see why nurses are entitled to more pay. Based on what I've seen in hospital, the care assistants do all the donkey (and dirty) work. Nurses's jobs appears to be administering meds and form filling.
 

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I agree that we should have more HCA's. Many of whom earn more than newly qualified nurses FYI.

But there's an acute shortage of nurses in the big cities and in areas like ICU, Oncology, Midwifery, A/E. These areas need highly skilled nurses not HCA's.
You increase the number of HCAs and you free up general nurses to train and work in Specilaist areas. The INMO actively work against this. I'm ll for enhanced the role of nurses. I could not do my job without my Clinical Nurse Specilaist colleagues. However, I frequently find myself fighting a rearguard action to stop them being sent back to the ward by the nursing 'management' colleagues.

Whenever, I suggest more HCAs as the obvious solution to our dilemma I'm met with the mantra 'Well Merv we all agree, but the INMO won't agree to that'. The ratio on my ward is 10:1. Many nurses on my ward want to move to ICU / dialysis etc. They can't at present.
Harris needs to stand up on this one, confront Doran with the facts and take him on.
 
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"We've had enough": Nurses have voted overwhelmingly in favour of industrial action

So in two months time, beginning of February with one day strikes and work to rule.

Not surprising considering how effective strikes have been for other workers.

Health Minister Simon Harris isn't happy.
“It will not reduce the numbers of patients on trolleys in Emergency Departments, will not reduce the waiting lists or improve service delivery and could lead to the cancellation of elective surgeries,” he said after the result was announced.

Out of all the recent strikes, Gardaí, Bus Drivers, Teachers, Nurses I'd argue have had to endure the worst working conditions by far in recent years.
We've all had enough.
 

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You increase the number of HCAs and you free up general nurses to train and work in specialist areas. The INMO actively work against this. I'm ll for enhanced the role of nurses. I could not do my job without my Clinical Nurse Specilaist colleagues. However, I frequently find myself fighting a rearguard action to stop them being sent back to the ward by the nursing 'management' colleagues.

Whenever, I suggest more HCAs as the obvious solution to our dilemma I'm met with the mantra 'Well Merv we all agree, but the INMO won't agree to that'. The ratio on my ward is 10:1. Many nurses on my ward want to move to ICU / dialysis etc. They can't at present.
Harris needs to stand up on this one, confront Doran with the facts and take him on.
So then, a 35 bedded medical ward would in your view require how many nurses and HCA's in a day shift?
 

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All done by care assistants (who are required to obtain a Fetac cert).

Sorry, I'm struggling to see why nurses are entitled to more pay. Based on what I've seen in hospital, the care assistants do all the donkey (and dirty) work. Nurses's jobs appears to be administering meds and form filling.
I'm sorry but that if pretty offensive to the efforts my HCA colleagues. It is not 'donkey work'. It the basis of all that we do. People who cannot care for themselves deserve the dignity of clean bed, clean clothes, regular showers and help with nutrition. Nurses should be focusing on medication administration, surveillance of early warning scores, wound dressing etc.

Welcome to the 21st century.
 

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6 nurses, one CNM, 4 HCA
As opposed to the 5 nurses's, 1 CNM and 1 HCA each weekday morning when I last worked on the floor. And it's gotten worse.

:roll:
 

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"We've had enough": Nurses have voted overwhelmingly in favour of industrial action

So in two months time, beginning of February with one day strikes and work to rule.

Not surprising considering how effective strikes have been for other workers.

Health Minister Simon Harris isn't happy.
“It will not reduce the numbers of patients on trolleys in Emergency Departments, will not reduce the waiting lists or improve service delivery and could lead to the cancellation of elective surgeries,” he said after the result was announced.

Out of all the recent strikes, Gardaí, Bus Drivers, Teachers, Nurses I'd argue have had to endure the worst working conditions by far in recent years.
Looking forward to when checkout operators at Lidl and Aldi etc refuse to serve Nurses because they’ve “Had Enough”
 
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I'm sorry but that if pretty offensive to the efforts my HCA colleagues. It is not 'donkey work'. It the basis of all that we do. People who cannot care for themselves deserve the dignity of clean bed, clean clothes, regular showers and help with nutrition. Nurses should be focusing on medication administration, surveillance of early warning scores, wound dressing etc.

Welcome to the 21st century.
Nurses used to performed all of those tasks.

I don't see why they an't still perform them. I thought technology had advanced in the last 50 years?
 

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Too late.
Well. I wasn't far off!. Jesus, you don't work on my ward do you?. We have the exact same problem. The solution is more HCAs!!!!. Liberate the nurses to focus on more complex tasks. Improve the direct patient care. This will cost money as it involves more employess. Mind you there always seems to be money to pay for compensation when the punter falls and breaks a hip.....
 


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