Nurses to ballot for strike action following their rejection of Government pay proposals


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Nurses are set to ballot for strike action in the weeks ahead following their rejection of Government pay proposals to tackle recruitment and retention difficulties in the health service

Nurses to ballot for strike action after rejecting pay proposals

Nurses at it again despite the Public Service Pay Commission finding there was no generalised recruitment and retention problem in nursing and midwifery. I think we've all seen this before, the Unions will make a big song and dance about overcrowding as a tactic to get pay increases for their members. The government will capitulate and throw them a few extra euro a week. This will of course have zero impact on on overcrowding yet the Unions concerns about this will miraculously disappear. Payrises funded by the taxpayer with no improvement in services for patients secured.

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Nurses are set to ballot for strike action in the weeks ahead following their rejection of Government pay proposals to tackle recruitment and retention difficulties in the health service

Nurses to ballot for strike action after rejecting pay proposals

Nurses at it again despite the Public Service Pay Commission finding there was no generalised recruitment and retention problem in nursing and midwifery. I think we've all seen this before, the Unions will make a big song and dance about overcrowding as a tactic to get pay increases for their members. The government will capitulate and throw them a few extra euro a week. This will of course have zero impact on on overcrowding yet the Unions concerns about this will miraculously disappear. Payrises funded by the taxpayer with no improvement in services for patients secured.

I stepped out , I stepped in again , learning to dance for Lanigans ball.
Doesn't the supposed high turnover and shortage of nurses in A&E suggest a recruitment and retention problem? The very high pay of nurses at around 55,000 euros a year for all ranks, maybe the highest pay in the EU, undermines the HSE and hospital budgets, preventing adequate staffing in A&Es. Then, the resulting stressfull conditions there leads to high turnover.
 
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Doesn't the supposed high turnover and shortage of nurses in A&E suggest a recruitment and retention problem? The very high pay of nurses at around 55,000 euros a year for all ranks, maybe the highest pay in the EU, unddermins the HSE and hospital budgets, preventing adequate staffing in A&Es. Then, the resulting stressfull conditions there leads to high turnover.
Well the Public Service Pay Commission found there was no generalised recruitment and retention problem in nursing and midwifery. Perhaps the Unions are spreading this myth in order to secure pay increases for their members ?

In fairness it does state there does appear to be a problem in certain areas.
 

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Well the Public Service Pay Commission found there was no generalised recruitment and retention problem in nursing and midwifery. Perhaps the Unions are spreading this myth in order to secure pay increases for their members ?

In fairness it does state there does appear to be a problem in certain areas.
The same pay outside Dublin is more valuable for the far lower cost of rents and home ownership. That suggests pay should be regionalised in the public sector instead of high Dublin pay for all.
 

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I worked in A&E on the clerical side.. I would honestly not wish upon my worst enemy the nursing side.. Dantes hell springs to mind

BTW.. Nurses salary is 30k a year not 50..its crap money for a stressful hectic job which gets little or no thanks
 

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Nurses at it again
Actually, nurses have a bad deal because they have never been 'at it'. Because they were under the cosh of religious orders and as a result of their strong sense of duty of care, they have been taken advantage of and have never been treated fairly. If they had gone on strike, or even threatened strike, as often as teachers did then they would now have better pay and conditions. And BTW re your plucked out of thin air €55,000, my sister is a nurse with almost 30 years' experience and numerous qualifications and she earns €47,000.
 

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An Taoiseach is dead right.

Billions going into a black hole, while the nurses and other vested interests whine, moan
and grub around for more money while holding us all to ransom.

Instead of working more over the busy period, they're threatening strike action.

Disgusting.
 

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and all the Trumpers come out to bash the nurses - big surprise :rolleyes2:
 

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Get rid of all the allowances and annualise the hours across the public service. Guards, nurses, CIÉ, doctors, consultants.
 

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and all the Trumpers come out to bash the nurses - big surprise :rolleyes2:
the Public Service Pay Commission finding there was no generalised recruitment and retention problem in nursing and midwifery.

If you have evidence that contradicts that finding please post of provide it to the Public Services Pay Commission rather then engage in schoolboy namecalling.
 
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Actually, nurses have a bad deal because they have never been 'at it'. Because they were under the cosh of religious orders and as a result of their strong sense of duty of care, they have been taken advantage of and have never been treated fairly. If they had gone on strike, or even threatened strike, as often as teachers did then they would now have better pay and conditions. And BTW re your plucked out of thin air €55,000, my sister is a nurse with almost 30 years' experience and numerous qualifications and she earns €47,000.
I did not mention €55k, please do not miquote me.
If you or your sister have evidence the findings of the Public Service Pay Commission is false you should provide it to them. They are threatening to strike, as stated by their representative body in the OP.
 

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the Public Service Pay Commission finding there was no generalised recruitment and retention problem in nursing and midwifery.

If you have evidence that contradicts that finding please post of provide it to the Public Services Pay Commission rather then engage in schoolboy namecalling.
Four Irish jobs available for every qualified nurse seeking work

Four nursing jobs are available in Ireland for every qualified nurse applying, the latest Health Service Executive figures show.
 

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I worked in A&E on the clerical side.. I would honestly not wish upon my worst enemy the nursing side.. Dantes hell springs to mind
Why do people always focus on A&E? Only a small minority of nurses work there (and get paid extra for it). Plenty of cushy numbers up in the wards, handing out pills, eating chocolates, abusing sick leave, and going out for years at a time on full pay having kids.

BTW.. Nurses salary is 30k a year not 50..its crap money for a stressful hectic job which gets little or no thanks
Average nursing pay (note: not salary) in the HSE ten years ago was €57,000 according to the HSE. There isn't a registered nurse in the country with more than a year under their belt on 30k - if there are any at all (pre recent adjustments, the first point on the nurse scale was €32k plus plenty of extras - even now, after some much needed adjustments, the lowest a registered nurse can earn (and only in their first year) - before extras - is almost €29k.).

Actually, nurses have a bad deal because they have never been 'at it'. Because they were under the cosh of religious orders and as a result of their strong sense of duty of care, they have been taken advantage of and have never been treated fairly. If they had gone on strike, or even threatened strike, as often as teachers did then they would now have better pay and conditions. And BTW re your plucked out of thin air €55,000, my sister is a nurse with almost 30 years' experience and numerous qualifications and she earns €47,000.
LOL, the IN(M)O have been striking or threatening to strike pretty much non stop for the last 15 years! I also don't believe that your sister only earns €47k with 30 years experience - I'd bet that's her headline salary (and at that, she was obviously content sitting on the rank of Staff Nurse, rather than going for promotion) before the various allowances and other gravy train top ups that add on average - according to the unions themselves - 25% to nurses' pay. That puts your sister on likely around €58/59k - just around average pay for nurses.
 

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Why do people always focus on A&E? Only a small minority of nurses work there (and get paid extra for it). Plenty of cushy numbers up in the wards, handing out pills, eating chocolates, abusing sick leave, and going out for years at a time on full pay having kids.

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That would be the Unions Ted. They have done a superb job crafting the image of hard working front line nurses that must not be criticized. Sure many are fantastic but others are average and some are terrible, same as in any profession.
In many ways it is their colleagues who are stealing from the nurses in A&E by drawing similar salaries.

Michael Martin (in a cynical ploy to attract public sector voters) accusing Leo of a cynical ploy i see. People will hardly go for that surely ?
 

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Ah the poor nurses, they have it soooo haaarrrrd. Never criticise them sacred cow nonsense in Ireland.
 

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LOL, the IN(M)O have been striking or threatening to strike pretty much non stop for the last 15 years! I also don't believe that your sister only earns €47k with 30 years experience - I'd bet that's her headline salary (and at that, she was obviously content sitting on the rank of Staff Nurse, rather than going for promotion) before the various allowances and other gravy train top ups that add on average - according to the unions themselves - 25% to nurses' pay. That puts your sister on likely around €58/59k - just around average pay for nurses.
There has NEVER been an outright strike by nurses in this country. And while you guess/estimate pay I am quoting actual figures. What's more, that €47,000 includes a qualification allowance. As for 'sitting on the rank of staff nurse' that is where the shortage lies - staff nurses, you know, the ones that actually work with the patients. You are either totally misinformed with your figures or you are simply making them up. Of course, since you are using words such as 'likely' and 'around' I think we know the answer.
 

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Apologies ruman, I meant to include that in a separate response to another poster.
 

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In many ways it is their colleagues who are stealing from the nurses in A&E by drawing similar salaries.
Comments like this only go to prove that most people who criticise frontline staff in our hospitals don't have a clue. Most nurses are leaving from ward posts because they simply cannot take the stress and overwork. My sister works in a specialist area - not A&E - and often gets home from work late with her lunch still in her bag, uneaten. You really don't know the actual situation, however, when the number of nurses working is finally reduced to the point where the hospitals can no longer cope reality will dawn.
 

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Comments like this only go to prove that most people who criticise frontline staff in our hospitals don't have a clue. Most nurses are leaving from ward posts because they simply cannot take the stress and overwork. My sister works in a specialist area - not A&E - and often gets home from work late with her lunch still in her bag, uneaten. You really don't know the actual situation, however, when the number of nurses working is finally reduced to the point where the hospitals can no longer cope reality will dawn.
Why do nurses not demand a proper 8hr shift pattern which would be healthier for them and safer for patients?
 
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