Obama the Charlatan/Fool

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Asi-Irish

Well, so much for Obama's oratory skills, about the only thing that got him elected, well that and the fact that pretty much all of the mainstream media outlets (profit making enterprises), fawned over the man.

President Barack Obama doesn’t go anywhere without his TelePrompter.

The textbook-sized panes of glass holding the president’s prepared remarks follow him wherever he speaks.


Read on:

Obama's safety net: the TelePrompter - Carol E. Lee - POLITICO.com

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc]YouTube - Obama Speech - Teleprompter Goes Out[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njy-5X2huFQ&feature=related"]YouTube - OBAMA EXPOSED - Barack without his Hollywood script writers!![/ame]
 
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smitchy2

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Yes I saw these teleprompters at all the tv debates he had last year as well!!!!
He is by far the best and most measured US politician I have seen in awhile.
Get a bit of balance and stop relying on youtube to find every mistake every individual has made.
 
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Asi - I can see how you might have difficulty understanding the need for a teleprompter, but in fairness, not everyone bangs on about the same stuff day in, day out...
 

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Nobody likes a spoil sport Asi.
You'll always be left in the corner nursing your drink at parties with that attitude.
A virgin and sexless.
 
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Get a bit of balance? I'm not sure what you mean. To me Obama is an empty shell. He has had no major accomplishments in his short political career, and he is working in the interests of big business, not of the average US citizen.

His campaign was skilfully crafted and staged. The people of the US have been duped.

They would have been much better off with someone like Ron Paul or Denis Kucinich as President, or Cynthia McKinney, for that matter.

How's that for balance? Ron Paul (Republican) and 2 Democrats...
 
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Nobody likes a spoil sport Asi.
You'll always be left in the corner nursing your drink at parties with that attitude.
A virgin and sexless.
You're dead right.

I actually showed up at an American get together on inauguration night. I hadn't been invited. When people saw me arrive, many of their faces dropped...

I did my best not to spoil their fun. In fact, I even tried to join in, but I couldn't think of anything good to say about the man.

He ain't gonna keep his promises.

Anyway, I restrict this type of talk to like-minded friends (lunatics), and politics.ie.

In fact, by posting this type of thing, I am probably injecting some balance into the discussion about Obama.... since someone mentioned "balance" earlier.
 

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Get a bit of balance? I'm not sure what you mean. To me Obama is an empty shell. He has had no major accomplishments in his short political career, and he is working in the interests of big business, not of the average US citizen.

His campaign was skilfully crafted and staged. The people of the US have been duped.

They would have been much better off with someone like Ron Paul or Denis Kucinich as President, or Cynthia McKinney, for that matter.

How's that for balance? Ron Paul (Republican) and 2 Democrats...
I was about to applaud until I stared reading the 2nd last sentence.
 

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Get a bit of balance? I'm not sure what you mean. To me Obama is an empty shell. He has had no major accomplishments in his short political career, and he is working in the interests of big business, not of the average US citizen.

His campaign was skilfully crafted and staged. The people of the US have been duped.

They would have been much better off with someone like Ron Paul or Denis Kucinich as President, or Cynthia McKinney, for that matter.

How's that for balance? Ron Paul (Republican) and 2 Democrats...
There is plenty of areas where Obama is liable to weakness but his oratory skills are not one of them.
I have always pushed for a 3rd party candidate in the US but their system is wrapped up in the 2 parties and that is the way it will stay.
For all his talk and his reasonable sounding policies Ron Paul did not have the b@lls to run as a 3rd party candidate and ultimately he realised it would be a waste of time.

At least Obama comes from a non-establishment background. He certainly has had to row back on many principles since he became a Democrat but so does every politician in the world.
I am willing to give his policies a chance in these disastrous times and not worry about if he uses a teleprompter or not.

Look at the imbecile he has replaced. He is an improvement but he has a hell of lot to do.
 
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I was about to applaud until I stared reading the 2nd last sentence.
So we agree on something.

But come on, man. I'm just thinking out of the box. Wouldn't it be nice to give someone a little different a go?

Ron Paul is great on foreign policy and the economy.

Dennis Kucinich tells it like it is.

McKinney.. well, McKinney is McKinney. I like her.

Who would you like to see in the Whitehouse instead of Obama?
 
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At least Obama comes from a non-establishment background.
Well, does he though? I mean, if you look at it, he has always been a "foundation" man. The foundations are just another wing of the establishment. He got a lot of help along the way from the establishment and his backers are very powerful establishment figures.
 

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Well, does he though? I mean, if you look at it, he has always been a "foundation" man. The foundations are just another wing of the establishment. He got a lot of help along the way from the establishment and his backers are very powerful establishment figures.
Well once you join a party you are part of the establishment.
Axlerod is fairly ruthless but you don’t get anywhere without guys like that.

If your not part of the establishment you don’t elected for squat.
It’s the same in every country.
 

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Hi boys and girls! Can I join the party!

I'm from Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, and I figured it would be fun discussing politics with you guys in Ireland and surrounding area. (Even an argument is a form of discussion, right?)

Anyway, the bad economy aside, I can't tell you how thrilled the MAJORITY of Americans are to finally have a brain in the White House again. Even the majority who voted McCain are taking a wait and see attitude, and teleprompter aside (which he doesn't need anyway but that's a different issue), every day this guy has been in office he has been on the job, tackling it head-on.

There is no way to explain to you how REFRESHING this is to us. In mere weeks, he said drop dead to the church and fundamentalists : "Sorry guys, but your opposition to stem cell research isn't going to stop us from advancing science."

He's telling the financial community it will no longer be business as usual.

And he's telling the people that we can DO this, get out of this mess, and that means a heck of a lot mentally.

The boogieman word here is "socialist," and they're trying to brand it onto him like the neocons used "liberal" as an insult. So the Republicans can attack the stimulus package all they want, but I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that if McCain would have won, you would be seeing the exact same stimulus package--with the exception of funds dedicated to renewable energy, education, the environment, and all of those other issues that the Republicans deem "liberal," and that big business would fix on their own, as long as we give them more TAX BREAKS!

King Bush is dead, thank God. Long live the King!
 

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It is weird and wonderful indeed to see US rightwingers trying (a) to imply that Obama is not qualified to lead and (b) strive manfully not to mention the utter incompetence displayed by their hero George Bush and his neocon backers.

To answer (a) I would point out that any man who was raised on the wrong side of the tracks as far as American politics is concerned, educates himself from a food stamp background and becomes President of the Harvard Law Review in the process is surely displaying a lot of talent not to mention intellect and ability to adapt.

Answering (b) is easy. How many times was George Bush mentioned by Republican candidates at the hustings? In fact, there was a lively movement to hide Bush away from the entire campaign as no republican candidate wanted Toxic George standing beside them on a national stage.

As for the libertarian view- I have a lot of sympathy with libertarianism and Ron Paul but I know also that the US is and has been for a very long time a one party state with the one party having two clearly defined wings and a whole lot of discouraged people in the middle.

Did Ron Paul get equal airtime with Dem and Repub candidates? No he did not. Why? Because airtime in the US costs money and only the Democratic and Republican wings of the ruling party in the States can supply a candidate with that kind of money.

President Obama is no chump. In fact, he is a far better candidate than most I can recall. He is also pretty astute, and is taking the Lincoln line in managing a disparate cabinet made up of people he'd rather have inside the tent weeing out than outside the tent weeing in.

At least Obama has the capacity to be Presidential. Which was always going to be more than George Bush ever had.
 

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It is weird and wonderful indeed to see US rightwingers trying (a) to imply that Obama is not qualified to lead and (b) strive manfully not to mention the utter incompetence displayed by their hero George Bush and his neocon backers.

To answer (a) I would point out that any man who was raised on the wrong side of the tracks as far as American politics is concerned, educates himself from a food stamp background and becomes President of the Harvard Law Review in the process is surely displaying a lot of talent not to mention intellect and ability to adapt.

Answering (b) is easy. How many times was George Bush mentioned by Republican candidates at the hustings? In fact, there was a lively movement to hide Bush away from the entire campaign as no republican candidate wanted Toxic George standing beside them on a national stage.

As for the libertarian view- I have a lot of sympathy with libertarianism and Ron Paul but I know also that the US is and has been for a very long time a one party state with the one party having two clearly defined wings and a whole lot of discouraged people in the middle.

Did Ron Paul get equal airtime with Dem and Repub candidates? No he did not. Why? Because airtime in the US costs money and only the Democratic and Republican wings of the ruling party in the States can supply a candidate with that kind of money.

President Obama is no chump. In fact, he is a far better candidate than most I can recall. He is also pretty astute, and is taking the Lincoln line in managing a disparate cabinet made up of people he'd rather have inside the tent weeing out than outside the tent weeing in.

At least Obama has the capacity to be Presidential. Which was always going to be more than George Bush ever had.
Obama's popularity won't much longer once its realised what a ball o wind he is.

He's already slipping and its obvious he's in over his head.

He is the most inexperienced person ever to sit in the President's chair in An Teach Ban.

This at a time when America faces its biggest financial crises since the Great Depression.

Well at least it will be interesting

- roll on 2012 and President Palin!
 

Captain Con O'Sullivan

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Obama's popularity won't much longer once its realised what a ball o wind he is.

He's already slipping and its obvious he's in over his head.

He is the most inexperienced person ever to sit in the President's chair in An Teach Ban.

This at a time when America faces its biggest financial crises since the Great Depression.

Well at least it will be interesting

- roll on 2012 and President Palin!
Point one is an assertion, not a fact. Point two depends on how you define inexperienced. George Bush was clearly the most inexperienced human being to sit in the White House if you are looking at intellectual capability.

Point three is a graceful admission of Republican guilt it has to be said so I'll raise a glass to you for that.

As for your hopeful little yelp for that intellectual giant Sarah Palin, the Pussy Galore for the Ugly Pants Mob down at the country club it is extremely unlikely that Republican party fixers will allow here anywhere near the 2012 race. She cost McCain too much this time around and no serious Republican candidates will want to be burdened with her shortcomings at the head of their 2012 ticket.

I forecast a Mo Mowlam end to Ms Palin's national political aspirations. Page 4 of most newspapers by the time 2012 swings around.
 

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Point one is an assertion, not a fact. Point two depends on how you define inexperienced. George Bush was clearly the most inexperienced human being to sit in the White House if you are looking at intellectual capability.

Point three is a graceful admission of Republican guilt it has to be said so I'll raise a glass to you for that.

As for your hopeful little yelp for that intellectual giant Sarah Palin, the Pussy Galore for the Ugly Pants Mob down at the country club it is extremely unlikely that Republican party fixers will allow here anywhere near the 2012 race. She cost McCain too much this time around and no serious Republican candidates will want to be burdened with her shortcomings at the head of their 2012 ticket.

I forecast a Mo Mowlam end to Ms Palin's national political aspirations. Page 4 of most newspapers by the time 2012 swings around.
' She cost McCain too much this time around and no serious Republican candidates will want to be burdened with her shortcomings at the head of their 2012 ticket.'

Well thats not Senator McCain's view of it

- according to him she 'inspires people'!

But the past is History and the Future is a mystery so time will tell.

My gut feeling however is that Obama will be a one term President.
 

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Go for a second term Barack ... You CAN Do It!
 


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