O'Dea: Have general election if 4 year program can't be agreed

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On Today with PK just now Willie O Dea made what I consider to be a significant statement that has not really been picked up on. He said if a 4 year program cannot be agreed between parties it "would be better to have a General Election"

So I take it that means if Gilmore and Kenny told FF to go to hell right now it would trigger a General Election. It was an extraordinary thing to say. Game's nearly up I think.
 


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He's only saying what everyone believes - I think FF back bench getting wary of the quartet of power making all the rules and making average FF TD's life harder.
 

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Sounds like a planned statement to either keep FF in power for four more years or give them a little boost (ie. this argument that the opposition refused to "help") ahead of the inevitable election.
 

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It's not going to help Fianna Fail.
FG and Labour will broadly agree the 4 year plan, and it will come down to who is best suited to implementing it. We will then conclude that that makes little difference either and all that will remain is that Fianna Fail deserve a sound kicking just because we are angry.
I predict an election in May or early June, which is about how long the Dail can muddle through after the by-elections. Assuming FF don't win Donegal, which they might.
 

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He hates the Greens, and since this Tallaght Strategy 2.0 is a green idea, he hates that too.
 

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Sorry, what?

A four year plan agreed with who?

Fianna Fail are in power with the Greens, who else do they need to agree?
They're in government, right?

Or is a case of when the going gets tough Fianna Fail try to dump their responsibilities on everyone else?
 

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This is kind of a clever approach from FF. Not so much from Willy, because he doesn't really care, he'll be elected next time out anyway, but from the party.

FF offer to hold budget talks. They make as super specific as they can. You don't want broad brush strokes here, you want real detail. The impact of that would be:
A: FG will broadly agree because really, there's no difference between them and FF on the cuts to be made.
B: Labour will either go along, or balk at the inevitable cuts to the PS.
C: Both will say "Sod off we want an election first"

Now in A's case, you get to send the message to the electorate that FG agree with the incumbent govt's policies. In B: You either get the unions abandoning Labour, or some of the middle class voters abandoning them. C: You run the risk of FF being able to sell that they were the only ones out for the country, and the other 2 are out for themselves.

If I was Kenny and Gilmore, I'd get together and get the parties to state clearly, repeatedly, that any discussion about a cross party agreed budget takes place only after an election.
 
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This is kind of a clever approach from FF. Not so much from Willy, because he doesn't really care, he'll be elected next time out anyway, but from the party.

FF offer to hold budget talks. They make as super specific as they can. You don't want broad brush strokes here, you want real detail. The impact of that would be:
A: FG will broadly agree because really, there's no difference between them and FF on the cuts to be made.
B: Labour will either go along, or balk at the inevitable cuts to the PS.
C: Both will say "Sod off we want an election first"

Now in A's case, you get to send the message to the electorate that FG agree with the incumbent govt's policies. In B: You either get the unions abandonning Labour, or some of the middle class voters abandonning them. C: You run the risk of FF being able to sell that they were the only ones out for the country, and the other 2 are out for themselves.

If I was Kenny and Gilmore, I'd get together and get the parties to state clearly, repeatedly, that any discussion about a cross party agreed budget takes place only after an election.
Broadly agree with the thrust of this. I just do not think it is that clever .F*** up and blame the other guy for not assisting you out of the hole-basic stuff and terribly transparent .
 

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Sounds like a planned statement to either keep FF in power for four more years or give them a little boost (ie. this argument that the opposition refused to "help") ahead of the inevitable election.
The only people who would believe that is the 20% of screwballs that would still vote ff anyway, and their a lost cause. Although no doubt there'd be some sindo poll saying a majority want a national government, they must have a database of every kamikaze nutjob in the country.
 

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If Fine Gael & Labour agree on next Budget they'll be blamed by FF on the Failure.

If Fine Gael & Labour refuse to agree on Next Budget they'll be blamed by FF in stalling progress and damaging the state.

Its a Lose Lose for FG & labour no matter what.

Labour, Fine Gael & SF need a joint statement and move jointly together on this
 

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This is a message to the opposition Take some of the blame with us or all of it on yo

This is a message to the opposition Take some of the blame with us or all of it on your own!
 
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Pretty clever by Willie.

If the plan can't be agreed on FF's watch, then FF can go into opposition and oppose all they want and say that FG/Lab were the ones who refused to do consensus.

Far better for Willie opposing a 4 year plan brought in by the opposition rather than FF.

The EC have really pulled the rug out from under the opposition in the past week.
 

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The opposition should abstain on the Budget while still criticiseing it

The opposition should abstain on the Budget while still criticiseing it.

The justification for abstaining would be "for the bond markets"
 

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The Greens are history.
Thats a given.
FF are the authors of this mess in its entirety.
All the references to Sweden and unity goverment as pointed out by John Drennan are total smoke.
Call an election and lets have a government with the public approval to deal with the disaster caused by FF.
 

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IF FG and Labour agree to support the government in the budget votes, it will give a number of FF backbecnhers the opportunity to abstain, be sick or vote against the budget. That will set them up nicely for the general election where they will be able to claim that they voted aginst the cutbacks, new taxes etc.

The simple fact is that FF and Greens have a majority. They can push through any budget they want. They only want FG and Labour in on the act to spread the blame. Thier principal problem is a failure of leadership - they can't act because they are afraid of the consequences. So the idea is to get everybody in on the act so that the electorate will really believe that there is no point in voting for FG or Labour when the election is called. FF will be able to claim "We have all agreed on these measures" - code for "we're all the same". FG and Labour would be stupid to get involved.

Observe Cowen's reaction to Gormley's suggestion. The usual "send us on your observations and we'll have a look at them". He didn't even bother to pretend to be concerned with tackling the biggest crisis we have ever seen and and for which he himself is responsible. At least for the cameras, you would have thought that he would have expounded a bit more. That man is so incredibly thick it's unbelievable that FF had the temerity once to spin about his "intelligence". He has the IQ of a polo mint.
 

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If this was a Poker Hand - Fianna Fail have been Dealt a Pair a Kings with an Ace, Queen, Jack in the pocket.
FG and Labour are idiots for even meeting FF. Basically they lose as soon as they meet.

If the meeting happens and nothing can be agreed, FF will blame them.

If they can agree, FF will blame any unpopular measures on FG/Labour.

This is a lose/lose for the opposition the very moment they walk into the room.
 

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Can anybody take anything that Willie O'Dea says seriously?

Seriously, Can anybody take anything that Willie O'Dea says seriously? This is just more publicity seeking from from a man who cannot come to terms with his fall to obscurity.

He is running around like a frantic weasel trying to make himself relevant to current political debate.

Does anybody seriously believe that he would be calling for an election if he was still a minister?

Is there any major radio or tv show that he has not dropped his pants for in the last couple of weeks?
 

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FG and Labour will demand Cabinet seats

FG and Labour will demand Cabinet seats

The government will have to identify which portfolios they will give up as a precondition to talks.

Which Green would give up his cabinet seat?
 

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FG and Labour are idiots for even meeting FF. Basically they lose as soon as they meet.

If the meeting happens and nothing can be agreed, FF will blame them.

If they can agree, FF will blame any unpopular measures on FG/Labour.

This is a lose/lose for the opposition the very moment they walk into the room.
A joint Statement by All opposition parties that any form of communication must be done after an election is needed
 


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